Can YERSINIA Be A Top Infection? Hashimoto's thyroid + GI Issues

I always see the big three (Lyme/Bart/Babesia) as the suggested culprits with all of the ailments and symptoms we are plagued with, but I want to share with you where my unique path is heading...to see if others like me are out there?

I've had decades of illness, but last summer is when my body self-destructed. 20 years of GI issues were unbearable (stomach swelling with any food, diarrhea many times a day, etc.) and I discovered I had flaring Hashimoto's (TSH 24, TPO antibodies 1108, constant racing pulse over 100 and BP spikes). My body would not tolerate any thyroid meds and to this day, I have taken none....yet my autoimmune thyroid issues are GONE. I have not had the moolah to test, but I have no feelings at all of thyroid symptoms....even my hair looks better!

I worked backwards to Lyme, so I did a parasite cleansing first (ADP oregano by Biotics Research) and it changed my life. GI issues? No more swelling and I could eat whatever I wanted (which I assumed had all been food allergens). My pulse calm and steady as a rock...never use my pulse meter anymore, which I carried around my neck. Basically, most of my most debilitating symptoms disappeared.

I still have the chronic back pain and some neuro issues, so I do think there is a pathogen party going on still. But I recently decided to move Yersinia to ride shotgun on my journey, and put the other big guys in the back seat for a while (still doing Buhner protocols, just putting energy into Yersinia).

I had heard of yersinia and hashimoto's, but it was when IgeneX recently showed positive band 41 (and 58) that Yersinia came into the picture once more.

The article below is something I read a long time ago, which puts the #2 cause of Hashimoto's as yersinia...but IgeneX brought me back to it because band 41 can be cross reactive with yersinia. I couldn't dismiss this coincidence.
hypothyroidmom.com/hashimotos-disease-the-infection-connection/

Then there are the symptoms - I had been stuck in the big 3 mode, so assumed Bart, but the article below shows not only the terrible GI symptoms but also the arthritic pain of yersinia...in the back...where my problems are the worst.
www.glutenfreeremedies.com/yersinia-enterocolitica/

My point is that I feel so fortunate that I tried general parasitic cleansing first, before discovering the Lyme world, because of the symptom relief. Yersinia symptoms fall under the umbrella of Lyme symptoms, and I could have missed this treatment if I had assumed they were Lyme.

I may be a rare, unique case? But I was wondering why there is always a push for the big 3 but not so much on mycoplasma, yersinia and other pathogens which can cause so much illness? Could those who don't feel completely healed possibly be missing their top infection?

Again, I don't think I "just" have yersinia based on the chronic odd illnesses I've had for decades, but I have put Oregano back in my treatment mix because I think my response to it shows it was a big health problem for me.

Thanks for listening - love to hear your thoughts!
Robin

Post Edited By Moderator (Traveler) : 3/9/2016 12:05:59 PM (GMT-7)

Your detective work is commendable ursamajor!! You are surely benefiting.

The "push" for the big 3 is due to the fact that treatment for those infections often takes care of the other infections we can get.

Since treating these infections is often a "peeling of the onion" deal, another infection might come to the forefront during treatment for the Big 3 and could very well require additional treatment.

It's no different than someone who is treating for Babesia microti yet is still having Babesia symptoms....all because they might have Babesia ducani, for example, and that particular strain might be resistant to what the person was taking for B. microti.

We all have to start somewhere and that's why savvy LLMD's trial meds for the Big 3.

Buhner says to listen to your body and to incorporate any herbs that we think might help. You've done just that and I wish you the utmost success!!!

Wow, more stuff for me to look up and research!

Thank you CD! Your reply helps so much...and your compliments made my day....It was tough as a child having a Chicago Homicide Detective for a dad (can't get away with ANYTHING) but maybe as an adult it really came in handy :)

Traveler -

I completely understand....and am glad you appreciated my post. What I was struggling with is "am I just unique" vs "could this be why some don't get better?" Because there are different protocols for different pathogens (herbal), I wasn't sure how many of the oddball ones are addressed and how long it takes to get to the less popular infections. In my case, it was really a good thing that I started with parasite cleansing.

I am so confident my daughter has Lyme...even more telltale symptoms than I felt in myself...but I am starting her with general parasite cleansing first so that if any of her uncomfortable symptoms are due to other pathogens besides the big 3 (she has celiac and hashimoto's, by the way), I can possibly make her more comfortable....like oregano did for me, before tackling the Buhner protocols.

General parasite cleansing doesn't have to take too long to at least clean house a little. In your research, Traveler, do you know why it doesn't seem to be a popular starting point with LLMD's before beginning Lyme treatment? It isn't a stretch, even if someone doesn't have yersinia but has another pathogen, to assume floodgates have opened with Lyme & Co. and other pathogens are hanging around. As CD speaks of the onion peeling, couldn't these little guys (which pack a big punch) be a great outer peel to take off and see how you feel, in case they are causing debilitating symptoms?

The catch here, only from my point of view, is perspective. If eradicating smaller, less popular pathogens makes you feel better very quickly, wouldn't you want to start there (or give it a try for 30 days) before the long road to Lyme treatment..."just in case?" I feel more physically and mentally prepared to keep on the Buhner protocol with my more debilitating symptoms out of the way (tachycardia episodes ain't fun!). If I'd waited, I doubt my one drop of JK and CC I am only up to right now would have helped my thyroid and GI issues, if this makes sense?

Anyway...this is all out there to help! Hopefully it does!

Thanks, Trav....you are a sweetheart!

I also love (and forgot) your point about not emphasizing detox as well (in addition to my query about why not advocate parasite cleansing first)...so many don't, you are right! Sometimes when I read about an LLMD saying "just start with this megadose that could take down parasites in a T Rex in a few hours" I get shivers thinking what would have happened to ME if I just jumped in!

Honest, my body does the following even with really being "good" with detoxing now, thanks to this forum's tips on detox importance and tools:

***Keep in mind I do one drop of one herb for 7 days, then introduce another herb, etc.
*one JK drop added, 3 days of feeling off in the 7 day trial
*one drop of CC, 3 days of feeling off in the 7 day trial

Just one drop! I would have been soooo sick if I gulped down a teaspoon full (based on my body's condition...not speaking for everyone's parasite loads here).

We are all so different....I sure hope this helps a few out there like me (even if unique, haha) - especially those with unbearable GI symptoms and autoimmune thyroid conditions. Worth a shot and it doesn't take long to see if it helps...that is the best part.

One last thing....there are many good products out there, of course....but my research lead me to 2 excellent oregano oil products that I have used and can verify they are POTENT: Biotics Research ADP Oregano OR North American Herb & Spice Oreganol Ultra Strength P73.

Really intriguing. The fall before last I intuitively started with a parasite cleanse after a really bad season of flu like symptoms, a bad respiratory infection, and feeling sick for months with headache being the pre-dominant issue, and cognitive difficulties. This fall, when everything went south, I began to seek answers. What I find intriguing, by just following the herbal wisdom, and integrating intuitively what seems right to integrate, symptoms abate. I think if you have a batch of symptoms that can be treated by a certain herb, irregardless if the sickness is caused by issue a, or issue b, or issue c - the herb might help all three. Just my current assessment of it all. I could be totally wrong..just really, really interesting.

You know, I got so carried away in my GI and thyroid examples, that I forgot to mention yet another symptom that resolved while on oregano.........an entire lifetime of a stuffy nose (I always stick Vicks in my nose), sinus infection "on the brink" feeling, sinus swelling with any humidity....gone. I was blowing my nose while on oregano forEVER at the start....but not anymore. My husband and I always joked about my eau de Vicks scent....but no more. Don't need it. Just another thing that cleared up........

I know you have asked ursamajor for information, but I wanted to welcome you to our community.

One of our Mod's - cd3764 is very knowledgeable about thyroid testing and treatment.
If you want her input, you could start a new thread titled something like: "LD and thyroid". If you post what your test results are, she could give you some really good advice.

I spaced out the link from the first post:

http://hypothyroidmom.com/hashimotos-disease-the-infection-connection/

Never heard of Dr. Nikolas R. Hedberg.

a Board Certified Naturopathic Physician, Chiropractic Physician and a Diplomate of the American Clinical Board of Nutrition. His practice is the Immune Restoration Center in Asheville, NC where he focuses on thyroid disorders and autoimmune diseases.


Per the above article :“Big Three” infectiones that can cause HasH: EBV, Yersinia enterocolitica and H. pylori

Never tested for Yersina, but if it crosses to band 41 (a spiroceet only band, lyme, syphilis ect), then Doxy and other anti-lyme agents must do something to it as well.