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Posted 7/5/2016 2:02 PM (GMT -5)
My problem is I have to research anything I want to take, including herbals, to make sure they aren't going to cause a bad reaction with certain unrelated medications I have to take, or the other medical issues I have.

I keep finding problems, and most of the herbals haven't been researched because herbs fall in the food category.
But I have to dig anyway and find what I can, since I do not have an LLMD or a medical doctor to work with me.

For instance, I think it was Pinella I was looking up, either that or Burbur, I've forgotten already. Anyway, it's Licorice based and there is a question it can cause Pulmonary Edema in some people, and that's something I'm already battling.

Is there any others here that take medication for hypertension and or Congestive heart failure? What herbs if any are you taking?
Posted 7/5/2016 2:35 PM (GMT -5)
I take Atenolol (sp?), a beta blocker to control BP. For herbals I take:

Cats Claw
Japanese Knotweed
CSA blend (Crytolepsis, Sida Acuta, Alchornia)
Houttuynia

I have had no issues with any of them
Posted 7/5/2016 3:01 PM (GMT -5)
I take a BB that also helps with hand tremor, I've read propaneral works for this and it does. Would rather not take, but it helps. Without it , its very difficult, sometimes impossible to do my job. BP was never that high, but it lowered that some too. There is an adrenal connection with all of this - conventional Drs ignore that though.
Posted 7/5/2016 3:16 PM (GMT -5)
I can tell you that japanese knotweed is awesome for heart health and normalizing blood pressure. I've been on it for months 1 dropper 2x/day. Hawthorne is another one once again harmless as its in the rose bush family but some have had reactions to it. I think the safest option is to try knotweed and see how it works for you.
Posted 7/5/2016 4:43 PM (GMT -5)
I take Valsartan (Diovan) for bp and I took Hawthorn, Motherwort, Astragalus, Red Root, Cryptolepis, Houttuynia, Cat's Claw and Japanese Knotweed. I also took about 15 vitamins, supplements and other herbals in capsule or pill form.
Posted 7/5/2016 5:34 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you all for the comments. I wanted the knotweed most of all, and was trying to group about 3 together because shipping seems to be the same if I get 1 or 3, so getting more is cost effective.

I'd been considering Astragalus too. Anyone of you taking Burbur?
Posted 7/5/2016 5:58 PM (GMT -5)
I take Burbur and I quite like it. Just started back to introducing JK. My body wasn't ready for it before.

Just a caution. Astragalus is not recommended in chronic Lyme.
Per Buhner it raises parts of the immune system that are overactivated in chronic lyme.
Posted 7/5/2016 8:21 PM (GMT -5)

Krimpet said...
I take Burbur and I quite like it. Just started back to introducing JK. My body wasn't ready for it before.

Just a caution. Astragalus is not recommended in chronic Lyme.
Per Buhner it raises parts of the immune system that are overactivated in chronic lyme.

OH!! Thank you. Strike that from the list.

What about Teasle, do you know anything about any interactions with it?

Yes, sadly I definitely have chronic lyme. An hour or so ago, thinking over how horrible I feel today, my mind always goes to descriptions, out of habit of trying to describe what 'it' feels like to Doctors.

Today it feels like I have sand running through all my veins. Lightbulb moment. That's the description I've used for decades. Labs would check my sed rate, and I, not knowing what that was for, imagined sed was short for sediment, and was thinking, "Ok, sediment/sand, same thing." I still don't know what it is, but it was testing me for RA, which never developed.
Fast forward to current history and the sand thing goes along with my over-all soreness and body fatigue. I wasn't sure if that wasn't my body asking for another half a pain pill. I tend to ignore it for a few hours until I can't anymore.
Anyway, the lightbulb today woke me up to the fact that this same bad feeling has been plaguing me for as long as I can remember. I've only had the pain pills a short while in comparison. The sand thing goes hand in hand with the complete body soreness, which is my body's reaction to having a fever. Always.
Posted 7/5/2016 8:35 PM (GMT -5)
While Astragalus is awesome I've heard you aren't supposed to be on it for any length of time can't remember why. Careful taking too many things at once you won't know what's helping hence maybe starting with one like Knotweed working your way up over 1-2 weeks and see how it helps. Or one of the other interested options.
Posted 7/5/2016 9:13 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for the reminder, Rikky1. I see that all the time, but the excitement of having new things to try, I'll forget.
Posted 7/6/2016 8:56 AM (GMT -5)

1000Daisies said...
FWIW - I know that astragalus isn't recommended with chronic lyme/etc. But Kid#2 is taking it anyways. :)

No, I'm not promoting that. Yes, I think Buhner is a good resource. But I am just offering a differing experience. Kid#2 is on some antivirals, and I noticed astragalus is one of the ingredients. But he seems to be doing much better on this antiviral routine, so I'm going with it for now - even though, by the book, he shouldn't be on it. (His iSpot showed lyme probably wasn't his biggest issue right now though.)

Oh, it's never easy for us. :)


Back to heart issue, I recently started having heart issues that I have yet to figure out. I have started hawthorn though. We have some other Buhner herbs that we'll be adding in this summer too. The heart issues are hard to figure out!

1000Daisy, how is the hawthorn going? I know it's too soon for hawthorn to make a great difference, but I was just wondering whether you've seen any decrease in your symptoms overall?
Posted 7/7/2016 4:03 PM (GMT -5)
1000Daisies- I know if it isn't one thing, it's another. I've been having hot flashes lately. I'm not yet there to have flashes, but I'm wondering if it's just part of the infection. And I've been having some internal nervousness. Who knows?
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