Am I herxing? Should I decrease my doses???? Help!

Hi guys I have a question.
So the past week I have gotten an intense worsening of my main bart/lyme symptoms which is GI (loss of appetite, nausea, churning stomach, hunger, dry heaving) and psychiatric (depression, anxiety, panic attacks, hopelessness, despair, huge fear).
I take biocidin once a week, houttuynia four drops a day, burbur six drops a day, pasque flower four drops a day, and japanese knotweed one drop.

I was feeling fine a week ago and have not increased any of these a week ago since i started feeling bad. But i just feel worse as the week goes on. Im confused. Am I herxing? Is it time to take my biocidin again since its been a week? Do i increase my drops or do I lessen them?
I feel so horrible please help. I cant tolerate feeling this bad.

But also my house has mold. And it wont stop raining. Im stuck inside. I keep throwing up and shaking and crying.

Post Edited (jennydancingfish) : 10/5/2016 11:25:02 PM (GMT-6)

Sorry you're suffering, jenny. Have you tried anything for the nausea? like ginger tea.... or peppermint tea?

If you do decide to do the epsom salt baths, and you haven't yet ...then maybe do a foot bath first...see how it feels - before trying the full baths.

When you do the baths, make sure the water is not hot...just warm...and don't stay in too long at first...just a few minutes...and than you can build up the time...slowly.

Maybe try taking the burbur twice a day and see how that goes, as well.

Are you drinking plenty of water?

You might have to try backing down on the Houttuynia...cut the drops in half....if that doesn't help...then stop it completely...same with the JK -
You don't need to suffer like this.

If you are herxing from the houttuynia - then cutting it back won't make you feel worse. You should feel better.

I am sorry to hear you're suffering so much!
Just my 2 cents. I agree with what everybody said about detoxing, etc. But I had major GI issues with Rifampin(lost 25lbs) so we (LLMD) stopped it. I then went on Biocidin on my own which was horrible, worse than Rifampin. I too have mold and it rains nonstop where I live. I stopped Biocidin and started supporting my gut from all the damage and all my GI issues are gone. You take Biocidin only once a week? Hhhmm. Maybe like you said you have detox issues? Definitely take it very slowly and cut back if needed. I learned that lesson. Let us know what your doctor says!

jennydancingfish said...
Why do you guys think my body cant detox well from the houtt and rifampin?

It seems like when I start these meds im perfectly fine the first two weeks but after about a month even without increasing either the herxing suddenly explodes into the psych/GI thing.

Any ideas? My theory is that proper detox is just not happening and its slowly building because of mthfr issues. Any ideas?

Im def gonna call my llmd tomorrow.

Even if we don't increase the dosage...the toxins will keep building...until they reach the 'tipping point' and then you herx. So, your theory that your body isn't properly detoxing sounds plausible.
But, you know...some people herx even sooner...so I'm thinking you may just need to up the detox.
Most of us do herx off and on throughout treatment. If we can detox effectively, then we can minimize the herxing...

That's great, jennydancingfish.

Keep it up...

Well, if you're feeling better...maybe save that 'call' for another time...if you need it.

Ok I will thanks guys!

I didnt know the houttuynia would be so strong 😭 i didnt know herbs were so powerful i was originally worried that they wouldnt kill any bart at all lol

I think i have a lot of bart in my brain and tummy i was so suicidal and naseous last night and now much better.

Thanks guys!!! <3

I'm glad you are feeling better, Jenny!!!

Bart herxes were the worst for me. The only nice way to say it was that it was the herx from Hell. My body has this lovely routine I found - I may herx some within the first 2 weeks, but it's after the 3rd week that I have to really watch for - and prepare for, especially with Bartonella treatments, as I use herbs only and use Houttuynia for Bart.

Houttuynia is a very hard hitting herb for many (but not all, may be due to specific strain reactions?) and needs to be dosed carefully. It's best to not assume any herb is harmless or won't work. Remember, people survived by using herbs only for treatment for many generations in China - and in the US until the last 100 or so years when pharmaceuticals came about...

Jenny,
Glad you're feeling better!! I supported my gut with L-glutamine, licorice, slippery elm, and marshmallow root. In one day all the cramps, pain, diarrhea stopped. BUT we are all different so that might not work for everyone.

You said,
"I know its silly but when I got so sick on rifampin and was switched to Cowden i was devastated cause i thought it wouldnt be strong enough to get better. I guess herbs are pretty strong?"

I had the worst herx of my life from Cowden. In fact I came on here for help because I was hallucinating-visual and auditory. It was very scary! So I can attest: herbs work and are VERY strong. Again, go ssssslloooooow.
Hugs!