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Posted 10/12/2016 3:21 PM (GMT -5)
Hello All,

I've been lurking here for a long time reading and digesting as much as possible while my wife heals from Lyme. She was bit in 2009 and not diagnosed until early 2015...yes, it's a mess. Thanks Canadian medical system. Been treating for with antibiotics for almost 17 months with some ups and a lot of downs...Lyme has a way of wearing you down...and I'm not even the one suffering.

Anyways I came across this:

https://waveforce.com/[url]

I'm wondering anyone has ever tried an LED type light for treatment? I've read briefly about Rife, Cold Laser and Zappers but this one looks different and it's local to me.

Would love to hear the community's thoughts on this and also want to say thanks to the regular members who contribute so much tyme to this forum. Really and truly...thank you.
Posted 10/12/2016 3:33 PM (GMT -5)
Welcome to our forum! We're glad that you are finding the forum useful to you and your wife as she is healing from Lyme. And I agree that we have members that definitely contribute to making this forum great!

If you haven't yet , it would be helpful for you to start with reading through the thread at the top of the forum titled,"New to Lyme?...Start here!!", as it is packed full of important information, symptom lists, helpful links and pdf's, how to detox when one has these infections, information on probiotics and much more. And this is another good list of possible detoxing routines: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html
Posted 10/12/2016 3:36 PM (GMT -5)
I personally haven't heard of this particular product. I've done protocols with ultraviolet light.
Posted 10/12/2016 4:00 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Krimpet. I've gone up one side of internet and down the other and am reasonably well informed, if that's even a thing when comes to Lyme. Detoxing, herbs, tinctures, vitamins, liposomals, CBD, antibiotics, probiotics, anti-fungals, anti-parasitics, Rife, Lasers, Will Weigman, Klinghart, Buhner, MMS, Kathleen Dickenson, Plum Island, CDC and the list can go on and on...what a rabbit hole this thing has been.

Was the UV protocol helpful at least? It's almost as if you have to throw everything at Lyme and the various co-infections to see what sticks. Absolutely abysmal state of science when it comes to tick borne pathogens.

Post Edited (tymeheals) : 10/12/2016 3:14:02 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/12/2016 4:16 PM (GMT -5)
Yes it was. I'm actually thinking about doing it again. We'll see.
Posted 10/12/2016 4:30 PM (GMT -5)
Hello, tymeheals. I've not heard of the product you mention, and I agree that you have to throw absolutely everything at this disease to have a shot... I have done many things, FIR sauna, abx, more abx, metals detox, CIRS (mold) testing, binder blah blah blah.... the one thing that has helped me tremendously is UV light (both UBI and UVLrx).

I did far too short a regimen of UBI 18 months ago, so symptoms returned. I recently started UVLrx, adding in Buhner's protocol for body system support. it's way too soon to tell anything right now. I can say I am having herxing moments with each treatment and each increase or addition of herbs... so something is happening. I also have moments where I feel better than I have in months...

Thanks for stepping out and saying hello :)
Posted 10/12/2016 4:32 PM (GMT -5)
I have a problem with anyone, company or individual claiming a "cure" only based on few testimonials. I even like less that their web site does not even put cost of this "healing gadget"....

Frankly if I had in the hands such a great technology I would, without a blink, offer it to people sick with lyme for free, intentionally making it a part of a study. I would also contact researchers like dr Eva Sapi, and other public figures who have lyme and see if they would endorse it or research it.
Personally I think it falls under the radar of quackery to me.
The happiness and the goodness that would come for a REAL cure for lyme (or any other dehabilitating disease) is well beyond anyone trying to make a profit out of someone else sickness.

You believe that?
Posted 10/12/2016 4:52 PM (GMT -5)
Artermix I think the cost was $2000.00 if I read it correctly.
Posted 10/12/2016 5:05 PM (GMT -5)
ohhh thanks Krimpet I see the price at the end of the page now. Very costly for "dozens" of people free of lyme. Not sure thang....again, just like rife machine....I am willing to loose $200 on a unsure result not $2000.
So sick and tired of this sort of stuff.
Posted 10/12/2016 6:37 PM (GMT -5)
A group here pitched in on something similar 1 said ok 2 said not effective ...homepathy and rife can be effective but 2000 will almost buy a plasma machine ...

watch the ted talks with anthony holland

and interview with ally hilfiger n friends
Posted 10/12/2016 7:17 PM (GMT -5)
Hi tymeheals - I'd also like to welcome you here.

No, I haven't tried anything like that.

I am in BC and have a LLND to treat me...actually I am seeing a second one now.
She does LDI, but I haven't decided yet if I'm going to go that route.

I spoke with her yesterday and she had a discussion with the Bartonella Guru (Dr. M) and she wants to go over what I've done so far...and what she learned from Dr. M.
I've been treating bartonella for a year now...and prior to that treated lyme for a year.

Is your wife treating herbally, or antibiotics...or both...or neither of the above...?
Posted 10/13/2016 11:10 AM (GMT -5)
Aftermix, I mostly agree with what you said but I'm trying not to get too pessimistic regarding treatment...breeds despair and I think anyone with late stage Lyme can relate. I wish we lived in a world where treatment for all diseases was free and easy to access but alas this is the world we live in and profit rules. Even the most noble of people gotta eat. I'm not ruling anything out whether rife, LED's, or anything else for that matter given the current state of Lyme treatment options. I really would like to believe there are things out there beyond our current understanding of biology. Who knows? Maybe this is one of those devices...

Girlie, Thanks for the reply and I'm in BC too and have the same LLND as you and are now starting to "branch out" a little. He is a great doctor but lately seems a little too busy and rushed. Reached out to Dr. Z in the Valley but she's not accepting. Dr. Z runs a support group which we may attend in the future...

My wife started with herbs and then went antibiotics and current on anti-parasitic's. IV Ceftriaxone was the one that seemed to help a lot after we had a heart scare. Early on we had success with Amox but didn't understand herxing and stopped thinking it was resistance. Confusion reigns for the newly diagnosed. Learned a lot over the year and half. Wish we would have started with anti-parasitic's first...Lately it seems like all of her early Lyme symptoms are cycling back...chest pain, head fog and pain in the feet and ankles. Almost like things are in reverse if that sounds right???

I think it's time to think outside the box so to speak now. I'm worried about the long term effects of anti-biotics.
Posted 10/13/2016 1:02 PM (GMT -5)

tymeheals said...


Girlie, Thanks for the reply and I'm in BC too and have the same LLND as you and are now starting to "branch out" a little. He is a great doctor but lately seems a little too busy and rushed. Reached out to Dr. Z in the Valley but she's not accepting. Dr. Z runs a support group which we may attend in the future...

My wife started with herbs and then went antibiotics and current on anti-parasitic's. IV Ceftriaxone was the one that seemed to help a lot after we had a heart scare. Early on we had success with Amox but didn't understand herxing and stopped thinking it was resistance. Confusion reigns for the newly diagnosed. Learned a lot over the year and half. Wish we would have started with anti-parasitic's first...Lately it seems like all of her early Lyme symptoms are cycling back...chest pain, head fog and pain in the feet and ankles. Almost like things are in reverse if that sounds right???

I think it's time to think outside the box so to speak now. I'm worried about the long term effects of anti-biotics.

How long has your wife been seeing Dr. C? I started end of August,2014 and have noticed a difference lately - I agree he is busy and rushed. I need someone at this point who can really put on his/her thinking cap and not someone who is 'mailing it in' so to speak.
I still recommend him, because he is the most experienced, and is healing many. He's also very friendly and easy-going...so when I request a certain antibiotic, he usually appeases me.
But, he kind of dropped the ball the last few months...
I have seen one in Victoria...and am going to see her again. She had a phone conversation with the bart guru, Dr. Mozayeni recently...and is going to go through what I've taken...and see if she can help with my bartonella treatment. She is also going to the ILADS conference in a few weeks.
If you want her information, email me.
Posted 10/13/2016 1:05 PM (GMT -5)
tymeheals - you mentioned Dr.Z - are you talking about the MD....Dr. LZ?

If so, I don't know if she'd help with chronic lyme much.
I know someone who was seeing her and I believe she sent her to a LLND who does the biophoton therapy.
I think her hands are tied under the BC medical - for treating more than a couple months.

It's worth a try, I guess...
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