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Posted 10/15/2016 4:20 PM (GMT -5)
Hi,

for those of you also with hashimoto's and/or hypothyroidism, i just read that some herbs/supplements for lyme (japanese knotweed, curcumin, sida acuta, green tea/egcg) can supress the thyroid.

Anybody experienced this? Haven't started those herbs yet, but i will soon. Should I be careful?

I drink green tea/matcha tea every day and also turmeric powder.

My thyroid is already supressed by over medication (armour). Will correct my dose when seeing doc next week.

Maybe it's of no concern when thyroid levels are normal again?

Thx
Tommy
Posted 10/15/2016 4:36 PM (GMT -5)
CD new about a lot of interactions. I forgot most of them, but yes there are many.

It would be great if there were an actual list.

All you can do is space them appart and get more thyroid level testing.

Treated for Hashi since '97.
Posted 10/15/2016 8:26 PM (GMT -5)
My doctor who manages my thyroid put me on curcumin. I hope it isn't an issue.
Posted 10/16/2016 9:59 AM (GMT -5)
Hi RJD76 -

We have a thyroid guru - slowly, others are becoming more and more educated since most lymees also struggle with thyroid functions - but hopefully she will see your post.

I am going to guess that the contraindication list of products are also anti-inflammatory. Anti-inflammatories suppress the immune function. Some people have thyroid issues because the immune system confuses lyme proteins with something that is produced in the process of thyroid functions that also produce a similar protein, causing the immune system to attack it, not the lyme, resulting in damage to the thyroid tissues.

I think armor helps replace thyroid's T3 and T4, so it's not suppressing the thyroid - or maybe I'm reading that sentence incorrectly.

Yes, you should try to optimize your thyroid function during treatment. It's very likely that for some people the thyroid returns to normal when the infection load is under control but others need help. Regardless, the thyroid functions affect so many other body functions and when it is imbalanced, a lot of other functions can go haywire and can disrupt your treatment process or just make you feel worse.

It is also very common to need to adjust your thyroid replacement as you move along your treatment stages - what you're killing with the treatment and what your body has to process and metabolize due to your treatment can disrupt body functions... it's all interconnected so our bodies are in a constant state of flux as we go through treatment.

Hope this is helpful -

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 10/16/2016 9:02:16 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/16/2016 10:42 AM (GMT -5)
RJD76 - I think you meant Armour , (or any thy med) suppresses the TSH , which is just the hormone manufacturing signal, not a cell usable hormone it self. Your t3 and T4, the actual hormones increase on Armour med - the whole point.

So back to your question which I completely understand - yes some supplements interfere with thyroid med absorbing correctly and even the thyroid organ itself.

As far as I know there is no list. There are so many suppliments know onw will ever know all of the possible interactions. CD is not here much anymore, she did discover some supplements she was using that were doing this-as she tested her thyroid monthy so she knew this.

At least get you t3 and t4 tested more often when you feel hypo or just as a precautionary when taking many supplement. I know some of the mushroom supps will do this.

Many here take magnesium, that and, calcium must be 4 hrs from thy med. Any other vitamin must be minimal 2 hrs from thy med.

Also protien clings to T4 but not T3. So no food with t4 med.

I take my NP thyroid(better than Armour for many people) sublingual, so gut contents dont matter then. I have proved this with testing.

AM
Posted 10/16/2016 4:33 PM (GMT -5)
I think cd mentioned LDN causing some issues with thyroid meds.

Also, Krimpet is another member (and Moderator) who knows a lot about thyroid and meds.
Posted 10/16/2016 5:37 PM (GMT -5)
That's right Girlie - LDN is an immune booster, so for some people who have an autoimmune version of thyroid dysfunction, this can also impact how you're supplementing.

-p
Posted 10/18/2016 8:58 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks a lot for this!

I'm trying like crazy to optimize my thyroid function during my treatment, but I think my main problem is that my meds are not working properly. And also my thyroid is supressed by too high of a dose lately. Currently on Armour, TSH 0,41, which is way too low i guess. Took new tests yesterday so we'll see.

Also posted on Thyroid forum, and was told that higher levels of Cortisol can prevent meds from working.
Also heavy metals, which I also have.

Maybe Armour is not the right medication for me afterall.

Astroman: What is NP thyroid? Never heard of it actually. I currently live in Norway, not sure what it's called here either..Better to absorb perhaps?

Thanks again!

Tommy
Posted 10/18/2016 11:35 AM (GMT -5)
RJ- NP thyroid might only be a US product.

If you want to upgrade and still be on dessicated, you could try Canadas Erfa natural thyroid, they just call it "Thyroid" astheir product. Its used world wide and you can get it from several canadian online pharmas. It used different fillers which can make a difference in how its absorbed in some people.
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