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Posted 10/25/2016 11:56 AM (GMT -5)
Hi everyone,

I was doing well. Had two weeks with just minor symptoms. Still symptoms but could take little walks, had energy, and thought I was moving in the right direction. Had to fly to west coast for 5 days for passing of a friend. It's a challenge to travel, change time zone, etc... but I did pretty well. Paying for it now. Very low energy, pain in right hand/fingers, and digestive issues (which I hadn't had since Doxcy.). Guess I just need to rest. I have follow up with LLMD next week. I have decided that I do not want to put more abx in my body.

Herb advice: Right now I'm only on Stephania/Elu/Ash. Tried Red Sage root but it was awful. What else should I try? My symptoms are mild arthritic feelings which I usually don't even feel because Stephania/Wobynzyme working so well. I also have some odd feeling at night in bottom of feet, which is why I think it might be Bart. Not painful just weird. I did continue detox/supplements/diet while traveling so that's ok. I was so cold on Saturday that I took warm epsom salt bath. All symptoms seemed to start after bath. So no more baths for me.

Thanks for listening.
Posted 10/25/2016 12:16 PM (GMT -5)
Because of the arthritic issues you are having, I would suggest Teasel. Some people have found healing from Lyme just from using teasel, so do be aware that it has the potential to make you herx - so low and slow with the dosing!!

I would encourage you to use the foot soaks for a while until your body gets back on an 'even playing field'. Be sure to stay warm, even if it means wearing two layers of clothing, as it will help your body.
Posted 10/25/2016 12:22 PM (GMT -5)
Trav,

Hi! As always thank you! I want my energy back to be more active on board. Already feeling better than weekend. I will try teasel. Would you rec. Red Root (not Red Sage root that I cannot take). I was thinking of RR for spleen/lymph, to continue cleaning out pathways. Oh I'm doing milk thistle tincture with Stephania/Elu/Ash.

So teasel before Samento or CC? I haven't tried either yet - due to how easily I herx.

I haven't had ANY arthritic feeling for two weeks. Is this normal that they resurfaced or is it travel/bath that reawakened them?

Back to nap now. I hope YOU are doing well and have some pain free/herx free beautiful fall days.
Posted 10/25/2016 12:33 PM (GMT -5)
Yes. I really like red root, as it works well for helping the lymph move, but it can add to hypercoagulation issues, so do watch for that. Start low and go slow with this as well, please.

Teasel should help with the arthritic issues - and it's part of my herbal 'blend'. LOL! So I've researched it a bit.

I'm glad you are doing the milk thistle - we really do need to watch our livers to be sure they are functioning well!

You can certainly integrate Samento or Cat's claw (but do NOT do both!!! - they are the same herb) first, but if you wish to target the arthritic pains, then I would suggest that you start teasel first.

It may only be a flare due to your recent traveling. I go through that a LOT!! Drives me crazy - and yes, it's a short trip!!! Ha ha ha!

I would encourage you to not only take really good care of yourself, and pampering your body right now, but to continue with the detoxing and treatments of course.
Posted 10/25/2016 12:47 PM (GMT -5)
Trav,

Thank you so much for always explaining the 'why' and the best ways. Also good to hear that it's normal and often happens after a trip or change in routine. I think I have teasel so will begin. If that works I will then begin the Samento. I know CC is the same, and perhaps better, but I muscle tested well for Samento and no for CC. Go figure.

Question: Can taking Stephania/Wobenzyme PS/Teasel be too much anti-inflammatory? Hope my body likes teasel. Thanks again!
Posted 10/25/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -5)
Some of us need a lot more help with the inflammation than others. I'm one with a ton of inflammation. If you are taking too many anti-inflammatory herbs, you will start to bruise much too easily - I've hit that point before and backing down your doses will help tremendously. This is because anti-inflammatories often thin the blood some as well.

You are doing pretty good at 'understanding what your body is telling you' so I have little doubt that you will have issues understanding if you are taking too much or not. You may need more right now, but in a week or two, things may calm down enough for you to lower a dose or even stop taking one anti-inflammatory.

We are such unique individuals all anyone can really do is to help guide you through this. Specifics get really difficult. =(
Posted 10/25/2016 1:35 PM (GMT -5)
Trav,

Thank you! You are THE BEST! I so appreciate all that you do for all of us.
xo
Posted 10/25/2016 1:37 PM (GMT -5)
I had good progress using cats claw. Also, for arthritic type pain, I really liked Zhang's Arthral-EZ (I think that is what it is called). What are you taking nutritionally to support the damage lyme does to the body?
Posted 10/25/2016 1:41 PM (GMT -5)
Multiface,

Thank you. I'll look into Zhang. His clinic is right by my house. Maybe I'll go one day. Nutritionally I eat a mostly organic diet with no alcohol, gluten, sugar, dairy, processed foods. I take: milk thistle, Immune Shield, collodial silver, astragalus, Vit D-K, V B12, AHCC (a mushroom mix), probiotics, prebiotics, C/mag, I-Lysine, digestive enzymes, folate, dry brushing, Yogi detox tea, ACV, essential oils for lyme, lemon-water, green juicing, a smoothie with vitamins/aminos/minerals/spirulina. I'm probably forgetting something but it feels like a lot!
Posted 10/25/2016 1:45 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie, I could not do hot showers. I felt horrible after those. After a hot bath or shower the lyme bugs just seems to go crazy and I was dizzy and very light headed. I felt like I was going to faint.

Are you doing some collagen support?

You are doing 2 immune remodulation herbs and 1 protecting endothelial structures herb. Cytokine remodulation is one you tried (Red Sage) but Skullcap is another for cytokine remod. you could try.
Posted 10/25/2016 1:46 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Huddie,

Good to see you back here. I wish I could offer any advice but I am a novice myself with this disease. I hope you feel better.
Posted 10/25/2016 1:56 PM (GMT -5)
I also think Teasel might be beneficial for you, Huddie. Here's some info on it:

www.tiredoflyme.com/teasel-root.html

Based upon this paragraph:

"Teasel Root works in conjunction with antibiotics, biofilm dissolvers, and cyst buster for maximum effectiveness"

I wonder if an antimicrobial something should be in place before starting teasel. I mention this because of these words from the paragraph above:

" Teasel Root is used for its ability to pull the bacteria from tissue, and into the blood stream, exposing it to antibiotics and the immune system."

The fact that we have symptoms is a sign that our immune systems are unable to keep the bugs in check. While I like the idea of getting the bacteria out of the tissue, the body needs to be able to handle the increased load.

We're not talking about dead bug debris being released into the bloodstream ala Teasel - we're talking live bacteria ripe for killing.
Posted 10/25/2016 1:56 PM (GMT -5)
You guys are the best, good to be back. When I have more energy I can get back to 'talking to my invisible friends' more!

Peteza, thank you. I want to heal like you so just tell me what to do - LOL!Yes I take hydrolized collagen every day. Two big scoops in tea or soup.

immune remodulation herb/protecting endothelial structures herb/Cytokine remodulation - embarrassed but do not know what those mean. Good memory - yes red sage not good for me. I am going to introduce Samento or CC. What am I missing?

Sam12, you just being here and saying hi is enough!
Posted 10/25/2016 2:04 PM (GMT -5)
There are many aspects of healing addressed by herbal protocols - the least of which is the killing.

An immune remodulation herb will help your immune system "reset". Remember: Lyme disrupts our immune function.

Endothelial structures are pretty much anything in the body that has blood vessels. The bugs hide in those structures and obviously disrupt their function. We take herbs to heal those structures.

Cytokines are what cause inflammation....and inflammation causes our symptoms.



PeteZa's suggestion for Skullcap (Buhner recommends Baikal Skullcap) is spot-on. Low and slow as always.

After that, Samento or Cat's Claw.

Then Teasel

All of the above IMHO ;)
Posted 10/25/2016 2:09 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks CD!

Very helpful. Trav suggested teasel as well.

Thank you so much for explaining all this for me. Just copied and pasted so I have it. I'll start with Skullcap then.
Next I'll add in samento or CC. Hopefully I'll test better for teasel tomorrow.

I have it and just muscle tested and practically fell backward. I'll try again tomorrow morning. I am taking Immune shield and collodial both antimicrobials.
Posted 10/25/2016 6:57 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie just wanted to say hi. This is such a rollercoaster ride. Up/down and all around. Take care!
Posted 10/25/2016 8:04 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie - Just thought I'd let you know, I herxed so bad with Teasel at first I had to stop taking it. Now I have slowly worked my way back to taking it and I take the full dose. I have had a dramatic decrease in my arthritic pains since working my way up on it. Good luck to you.
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