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Posted 1/3/2017 7:43 PM (GMT -5)
LLMD suggested Artemisinin SOD for my son.

Brand suggestions welcome. I like tinctures since it is easier to start slow.

He also suggested Beyond Balance BB1 and Tox-Ease for my son. I have both of them.
Posted 1/3/2017 7:54 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie - I don't know if you will find Artemisinin in tinctures.

I am not familiar with the Artemisinin SOD.
I used Allergy Research Group Artemisinin. (I got the recommendation from this forum)

You will find Artemisia (Sweet Annie/wormwood) - the whole herb in tinctures.
Artemisinin is the active constituent of Artemisia .


Did he tell you to pulse the Artemisinin? That is because the intestines can produce an enzyme that will 'kill' the artemisinin, rendering it useless.

Some people do one week on, one week off.
LLMD MR says 3 days on and 11 days off.

Make sure your son starts off at a lower dose...and increases.
Posted 1/3/2017 7:56 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie,

Thank you. No he didn't mention pulsing it. This is really making me lose faith in this LLMD.

What is it for? I will call the company tomorrow. Can't even think right now.

Thanks Girlie.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:02 PM (GMT -5)
Artemisia doesn't need pulsing...but Artemisinin does.

...and he did say Artemisinin....so , yes pulsing is in order.

It is for Babesia.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:07 PM (GMT -5)
They have excellent products. I've used some but can't remember offhand which ones.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:09 PM (GMT -5)
Rn makes a blt formula and a crypto formula ..i tried their tranfer factors ..basically expensive colostrum..

is the art in addition to or in place of the malarone ?
Posted 1/3/2017 8:09 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie,

Thanks. Yes. It is definitely Artemisinin and it is for his Babesia.

Krimpet,

Thank you. Good to know. They do have a lot of products that sound great. He gave me the catalog.

I'll let you guys know.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:27 PM (GMT -5)
Blue,

Hi. Thanks for the advice.

I used Capra goat colostrum and really like it.

The artemesinin is to be used when he is off meds for two weeks. He is finishing up 8 weeks, will have two weeks off to detox, take the art/BB1/Tox Ease - then back on meds.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:33 PM (GMT -5)
Research Nutritionals are excellent products. BB-1 is a great tincture for Lyme as well my wife can't get past 2 drops 2x/day without her neck feeling like its broken.
Posted 1/3/2017 8:33 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie - be prepared that he most likely will herx on the Artemisinin. (so much for the detox 'break')


Did he say how much he wants him to take?
Posted 1/3/2017 8:54 PM (GMT -5)
Rikky,

Thanks for the heads up on the herxing. I herx on EVERYTHING! LLMD said to work up to 5 drops a day.

I hope she is feeling better, although a broken neck doesn't feel great.

Girlie,
He didn't say. Only gave dosages on the BB1, Babs1, Tox-Ease.
Posted 1/3/2017 9:23 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Hud,

My son started at a 1/2 capsule of 200 mg of Artesunate. He is 5'11 and weighs 145 (he gained 10 pounds this month).

He had a lot of headaches with this. Took it 7 days on 7 days off. I made sure his bowels were moving good -didn't want any malingering dead parasites in the bowel - tmi sorry

I made sure he had easy days -nothing big scheduled. They say day 3 -day 6 is the worst.

Lots of detoxing -maybe a detox tea, quercitin, alka selter gold -whatever you find works. You are WAY more knowledgable than I about herbs.

I think researched nutritionals is an excellent company.

Hud-what are the ingredients in tox ease and bab1?

You are gonna get through this, layer by layer, day by day. Think of the wonderful summer you and your family will have with all of this behind you. Imagine you all sitting on a beach smiling watching the sunset.
Posted 1/3/2017 10:04 PM (GMT -5)
Lymemomster,

Thanks! I ordered 100 mg. caps but may half them to begin with. My son is only 5' 2" and 95 lbs. Whoo-hoo on your son gaining 10 lbs.!

Thanks for the heads up on the herxing and the elimination advice - no TMI on this board.

I make him detox everyday.

I didn't write down the Tox-Ease ingredients but can get them of the bottle and send you tomorrow.

Babs 1: Ingredients:
– Red Clover
– Rue
– Wormwood
– Prickly Lettuce
– Valerian
– Nettle
Properties:
– Anti-bacterial
– Anti-parasitic
– Anti-viral
– Anti-microbial
– Anti-inflammatory
– Anti-septic

I LOVE your vision of us on the beach. I didn't see the beach once last summer. Was sick in bed all of July/August, by September I could move to the sofa smile

I wish the same for you guys.
Posted 1/3/2017 10:31 PM (GMT -5)
Huddie - the Artemisinin isn't as 'strong' as the Artesunate...(not sure if you know this)
I have read that the dose of Artesunate is 200 mg daily...although I have been prescribed 200 mg twice daily...and the only other person I know prescribed this dose is Lymiemomster's son.

The max dose of Artemisinin is 1500 mg. (according to LLMD MR) (But, that I'm assuming is an adult dose)

If I'm remembering correctly, I started out with 100 mg 3X day and increased over 4 days (I don't have my notes in front of me...so not sure if I got past 1000 mg daily by day 4 on the first round)

I did approximately 9 rounds of 4 days on, 11 days off.

Each round I would start off lower than when I left off the previous round.

So, do start slowly, but expect to increase past 200 mg daily. eventually.

Gauge by his response....and since he's not 'adult' size...than 1500 mg may be too high to even consider attaining.
Posted 1/3/2017 10:48 PM (GMT -5)
Hello, I order alot of there products so far they are pretty good, I presently use the arteminisin, I actually didnt herx much, it cleared up alot of my yeast problems as a bonus. It has black walnut in it which works to kill yeast, which helped with my head pressure. all take prescript assist is a great probiotic. and yet to order bb2. my dr. said to take everyother day i dont know why he didnt tell me to take a break from it. pretty good product line. hope your son gets better soon and they work for him.
Posted 1/3/2017 11:02 PM (GMT -5)
poocheez - taking every other day may be effective as well. (It's not recommended to take it every day without a break, so you might be okay with that)
Posted 1/3/2017 11:03 PM (GMT -5)
The wormwood in bab1 is a type of artemisin as well.

Girlie is right, artesunate is different than artemesin, some say stronger.

I think of this illness and all the co's (and the co's we don't know we have) in separate categories. You are working on bab now, then depending on your worst sx the dr. will work on the next infection. Always dancing around trying to beat the bugs without beating you too much.

I think we did lyme a bit, now bab, prob bart next, then chlamydia pn then mycoplasma with a big finale for the viruses lol.

I agree a second opinion would be good. Our next stop would be tcm, maybe the classical pearls to mop up everything in a synergistic fashion. Traveler had good luck with that and I think it addresses adrenals, hormones etc.

I'm rambling again. Sorry.
Posted 1/3/2017 11:48 PM (GMT -5)
ill will try to take it everyother day, makes me kind of tired idk why, Im not sure if i have babs, initially with RMSF i have shortness of breath, day sweats in the beginning dont have anymore, just this annoying pressure on top of my head, thinking its yeast i had a die off when i took a natural yeast killer, the pressure they say can be yeast related. its so annoying makes me feel dizzy at time and light sensitive.
Posted 1/4/2017 6:26 AM (GMT -5)
I haven't used the items detailed, but I have used plenty of their products. Always good quality and no issues
Posted 1/4/2017 2:00 PM (GMT -5)
Question for lymiemomster if you're back to this thread:


Did you son get diagnosed clinically for mycoplasma and chlamydia pn?
..or are there reliable tests for those?
Posted 1/6/2017 11:06 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Girlie

Sorry I've been busy working and didn't see this question.

He had the DNA test -I think it's Health Genetics in Ontario- that found mycoplasma in his urine. And Armin Labs detected Chlamydia pneumoniae in his blood. (And lyme and low levels EBV)
Posted 1/6/2017 1:27 PM (GMT -5)

Lymiemomster said...
Hi Girlie

Sorry I've been busy working and didn't see this question.

He had the DNA test -I think it's Health Genetics in Ontario- that found mycoplasma in his urine. And Armin Labs detected Chlamydia pneumoniae in his blood. (And lyme and low levels EBV)

Thanks Lymiemomster. I didn't realize Dr. C used those labs - good to know.

The Health Genetics centre is where I got my positive Bart test a few months ago.

Won't the Lyme treatment also take care of the Mycoplasma and also the Chlamydia Pneumonia? Or not?
Posted 1/6/2017 7:55 PM (GMT -5)
Girlie, it depends on what's being used. Both of those can be bears to get rid of.

My mycoplasma testing was through a Quest blood test. Negative for CPN. I check both of these every few months.
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