urine odor

I had it too and I think it was the Buhner herbs. I just made sure I was drinking enough water.

My urine is dark and smells like burning plastic or like there is an electrical fire around too sometimes.

Do we need to take extra kidney support in addition to liver support herbs?

Oh, yes I know how powerful herbs can be - I was among the first to use herbs only to heal from these infections the first time I was infected, after abx therapy failing me. I researched the ingredients before choosing to try the product - Yogi brand detox tea (original flavor).

Ingredients: Burdock, Dandelion, Juniper Berry, traditional Ayurvedic blend “trikatu” (Ginger, Black Pepper and Long Pepper), Indian Sarsaparilla, Licorice, Cinnamon, Cardamom and Clove.

I also drink a 'coffee alternative' - Pero, as I can't have any caffeine until my adrenals heal further. That is made with Barley, Malted Barley, Chicory and Rye. Chicory and Barley both help the kidneys detox as well.

And, I think you misunderstood me (most likely my fault with my trying to be on here before I'm really awake) - these issues started a LONG time before I started drinking these items. It has only eased up since adding them into my routines. In other words, those toxins were not being detoxed well enough previous to my adding in those products.


July - some people do, some people don't. If there is kidney discomfort, sometimes it's due to a build up of toxins - but there's no test for this, so a person just has to try a few things to see if it helps. It helped me quite a bit.

And yes, still wondering if I should be concerned about kidney damage or damage to other organs.....

I was not planning on consulting a LLMD but am wondering with this situation if I should.

Thanks for your thoughts....

LOL! They aren't dumb questions!!! And if you are confused, we would rather you ask!!

Yes, I treated with the Chronic Tonic - it's a treatment tea, not a detox tea, even though there are a few herbs that do help with detoxing in it.

The detox tea that I use is Yogi brand detox tea (original flavor to get more herbs to help me detox).

I have not had any of the gene mutation testing done, although I do seem to have the same kind of issues as those that do - so I figured it was best for me to assume that I did and work to get my body to detox much better.

It took a lot of diet changes as things with my body changed,
I used a foot soak daily,
dry skin brushing,
making sure my bowels moved at least once a day (sorry if it's TMI!)
pushing myself to drink at least 64 ounces of lemon water each and every day,
liver/gall bladder flushes (all natural), as needed,
oil pulling with tea tree oil,
taking activated charcoal, as needed,
Alpha lipoic acid,
Quercetin,

​ turmeric,
Methyl B-12 and methyl folate,
Dandelion tincture,
red root tincture,
Yogi brand detox tea, one daily
(and I know I'm missing other things I do! LOL!)​
and keeping the amount of stress in my life at a bare minimum.


​ I have used apple cider vinegar to help with detoxing as well - it's really good, but started making my stomach issues worse, so I stopped using it daily and only use it occasionally when I know I need a boost in my detoxing for just a day or two.​

Haha! Synchronized posting!

Gene mutation testing? What is that for?

How do you open the detox pathways so you don't get a backload of toxins?

My naturopath has noted that I tend to be very sensitive to any changes & we need to go slow. That is still the case for me & I've been seeing her for 5 years now.

Thank you for all this valuable info! Everyone!

So a treatment protocol is not necessarily a detox protocol. Right? Yes
And a treatment protocol can cause a herx reaction, right?Yes

A detox protocol can also cause a herx reaction? Yes
But a detox protocol is supposed to get rid of the toxins from the treatment protocol that is killing the lyme bacteria, right?Yes

So my body may suffer from symptoms from:
bacteria
treatment
detoxing
They can all cause uncomfortable symptoms, right?Yes

Hang in there!!! It IS confusing!! But, let us see if we can help you understand a bit better.

Here is an article that may help explain the detoxing causing uncomfortable symtpoms:
www.tiredoflyme.com/4-reasons-why-you-still-feel-bad-despite-detoxing.html

Essentially, we have a careful balance we must keep in order to keep our symptoms under control - not moving through treatments and raising doses too fast, and not herxing so much that our symptoms get out of control. Not everyone has detox issues, but many of us do. Many of us that have issues with detoxing is because we have gene mutations that prevent our body from being able to move those toxins smoothly and easily through our detox pathways.

When we have these gene mutations, often just supplementing Methyl B-12 and methyl folate is enough to "open" those pathways (we are actually helping to make connections that our bodies can't make on their own due to the gene mutations). There are some that have further gene mutations that need more help in getting their detox pathways open for easier detoxing.

Often times, we don't even notice that we have issues with detoxing, until we get sick and our symptoms are more serious. Once a person has a set of infections like we talk about here all the time, it can very suddenly become obvious that something is haywire!

In an effort to not be even more confusing, I'll stop there unless you have more questions. LOL!

The best thing in my opinion is slow and low.

Always start out with the lowest dose possible, and always advance your doses in the smallest amount possible and never allow herxing to get out of control - keep it low as well, even if you have to lower your doses back down and wait for a bit longer to raise them.

Don't start something new and raise the dose of something too close together. I usually wait at least 3 days, even if it's something that is not supposed to make a person herx (detox or support herbs).

I have used this approach for my own healing, and am doing it yet again now that I'm reinfected.

If you need them, they won't hurt - but you may not really notice any difference in how you feel for a while - it just kind of "dawned on me" one day that I wasn't having nearly as hard of a time with keeping up with my detoxing once I had been on them for a couple of months.

Low and slow! LOL!

LOL! I wonder if that means anything???

We could just say that great minds think alike though!!

I was reinfected after way too much family stress brought my adrenals crashing down and took my thyroid down as well. It was during this low point in my health that I had another tick attach and a few weeks later, symptoms started returning.

As far as anyone knows, the Lyme bacteria can not be totally eradicated from the body, but must rely on the immune system to keep it under control. Once the bacterial numbers are down low enough, and the immune system is back up functioning at good levels again, it can successfully stay under control as long as stress and sickness doesn't enter back into our lives.

But, there are many that have healed and been able to get back to their lives without any issues, or with only having to keep up with supporting their immune system, or other minor things.

I have noticed my urine smells really strong when I take ALA.. otherwise I have not noticed a correlation with anything I take