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Posted 3/17/2017 3:53 PM (GMT -5)
I'm trying to figure out what happened to me today. I felt good when I got up this morning. I took my liquid nystatin before breakfast. Maybe half an hour later my nemesis, the wired-agitation-anxiety-air hunger-Brain fog came roaring in at an intensity way stronger than its been for a long time.

A-bab caused this to a lesser degree after taking it and my LLND took me off and put me on kw Lyme Formula. Today is day 12 of KW Lyme Formula and so far the only thing I've felt from taking it is better, yay. I'm titrating up to 2 droppers full bid but am at 1/2 dropper bid. I noticed a similar herx pattern 12 days into the a-Bab @ 1/2 drop per day.

Jeez Louise, this is uncomfortable. Give me a trank. Do you think CVS or rite aid would have Alka seltzer gold?

Today happens to be day 3 of taking liquid nystatin for oral thrush and possibly gi candida as well. Could a candida herx have identical symptoms to a Lymeco herx?

Or, I've stopped my low dose (6mg) doxepin for sleep after a quick taper off. Ncbi.nlm.nih.gov says there are no withdrawal issues with it at such a low dose. Seems odd that several different things could cause identical symptoms.

Whaddya think?
Thanks.
Posted 3/17/2017 3:59 PM (GMT -5)
CVS doesn't here in Missouri. I asked them once and they never heard of it. I think you have to order it online unless your local health food store carries it.

What about taking a good binder like charcoal tabs/caps, DE or B. Clay?

It does sound like herxing. It could be the kw...you know sometimes it varies for everyone and us when a herx is going to kick in, it's so dependent on the toxin load at any given time, being given too much to deal with.



I may be wrong on my info, but when the organs that are trying to clear out toxins get behind, do they not recycle the excess back into the blood stream? If so, it follows that your herxing can be much like a previous herx from something else. Or different. I would think that the possibility exists among the overall odds.

Post Edited (julymorning) : 3/17/2017 3:03:28 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/17/2017 4:05 PM (GMT -5)
Cytokines are involved in the herxing, but I don't know how they tie in to where the herx is felt.
Posted 3/17/2017 5:46 PM (GMT -5)
Some CVS' carry it. My local ones do. You can always search the location online to find out. That's what I did.
Posted 3/17/2017 6:31 PM (GMT -5)
Yeah, I just got back from rite aid and CVS, they don't have Alka gold. Have to order it online. Do you all give your herbal antimicrobial protocol a break when you herx?
Posted 3/17/2017 7:44 PM (GMT -5)
It depends on how bad the herx was BJD. If it was really bad yes. Important to give it a rest for a day or two or more until things settle back down.

If it is a little herx that you don't want to repeat, back down on the dosage if at all possible. And that of course depends on what form it comes in. Tincture drops are easy. Back down to the last amount you were comfortable with.

By the same token, if it's a bad herx that you need to avoid for a bit, start back at a pretty low dosage when you're ready. How much? If you don't have a gut feeling about it, ask here and explain what it is, how much you're taking and for how long.
Posted 3/17/2017 7:49 PM (GMT -5)
I would stop taking the KW Lyme formula and continue the nystatin. See how you feel after 24 hours, or 48 hours. If you don't feel improvement, stop the nystatin or cut back the dosage by half.

You want to figure out where it's coming from.

I'm betting on the KW Lyme formula being the culprit.
Posted 3/17/2017 8:17 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks July, I think the Lyme Formula probably caused the herx as well though this brain for brings back memories from '83 and earlier when I had Candida and didn't know it. I'm gonna take a day or 2 off and go back to the last tolerated dose after I recoup some.

Question, I tried to hit the reply button to your last post and hit the ignore button by mistake, now I can't see what your replies. How can I undo that?
Posted 3/17/2017 8:37 PM (GMT -5)
BJD - Click on 'My Profile' - upper blue bar - left side.

then you click on 'Edit Ignored Users'
Posted 3/17/2017 9:13 PM (GMT -5)

BJD55 said...
Thanks July, I think the Lyme Formula probably caused the herx as well though this brain for brings back memories from '83 and earlier when I had Candida and didn't know it. I'm gonna take a day or 2 off and go back to the last tolerated dose after I recoup some.

Question, I tried to hit the reply button to your last post and hit the ignore button by mistake, now I can't see what your replies. How can I undo that?

They really do need to move that thumps down icon further over to the right. Can't tell you how many times that happens here! lol.
Posted 3/19/2017 6:07 PM (GMT -5)
I know I herxed really bad when I first started nystatin. I didn't have anything either because I wasn't expecting it. So someone said that lemon water with stevia really helped her. It really helped me as well until I could get all my detox supplies.

Hope you're feeling better.
Posted 3/19/2017 8:45 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks laker, I'll try the stevia with my lemon water. It turns out it was indeed the Lyme Formula that caused the herx. I had been titrating up gradually, felt fine and then took a couple of bigger steps up. So, I've taken a 2 day holiday from it and will go back to the last tolerated dose tomorrow. Have felt relatively good on my 2 day holiday. I kept on taking the nystatin and no problem. These herxes I'm getting seem to be neuro / brain related. I get wired/agitated and brain foggy/dizzy. I hate it. It makes me want narcotics, which I've never used. I ordered some alka gold to try next time along with glutathione.
It does appear to be be a pattern however that after about 2 weeks of a tolerated dose, I start herxing. It's odd that I didn't herx on doxy or artemesinin.
Ive been taking nightly epsom/h202 baths, lemon water, coffee enemas ~3x week, & psilium. It's hard to carve out time to take activated charcoal. Maybe when I get up 2p @ nite
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