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Posted 3/31/2017 3:26 PM (GMT -5)

Traveler said...
Activated charcoal, or other binders. The activated charcoal did/does wonders for me. It binds to the toxins and ushers them out of the body. I don't think I would have made it through my first healing without the use of activated charcoal.


Lymph massages, and dry skin brushing are also high on my list.

Magnesium should be taken daily anyway - our food supply is deficient in magnesium, so our bodies are deficient.

I saw this on an older post about Detoxing, and I was wondering, if I'm taking Epson salt detox baths, should I still be taking my regular dose of Magnesium? Can I get too much?
Posted 3/31/2017 3:46 PM (GMT -5)
that's a good question. not sure what's going on with me but when i take an epsom salt bath (any water temperature) i get a flare up in symptoms so i can't whereas when i pop 800mg a night i'm fine. clearly something else is going on that doesn't involve the magnesium.
Posted 3/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT -5)
the amount absorbed in a bath is not a lot (from what I've read)

I usually take 400 mg daily in addition to epsom salt baths minimum every other day.
I put about 2 cups of salts in my bath.

Rikky - even cold water?
Posted 3/31/2017 3:54 PM (GMT -5)
ok, thanks girlie.
Posted 3/31/2017 3:58 PM (GMT -5)
It all depends on how you feel. If you are having muscle twitches and spasms, it won't hurt to try a little more - but if you have diarrhea or very loose stools that won't go away in a week or more, then you may be getting too much. This laxative effect will be the first noticeable sign.
Posted 3/31/2017 4:01 PM (GMT -5)
Rikky, you may be like me and the full baths are just too much. They move too many toxins into my bloodstream all at once and I simply can't detox them out fast enough - which is why I stick to the Epsom salt/peroxide foot soaks.
Posted 3/31/2017 4:55 PM (GMT -5)
Traveler- Probably too much information, but I have had loose stool for years now, even before I started supplementing. I've always figured it was because of my diet. I stopped the magnesium when I started the Abx because of the warning. I've just not been able to get the timing right in my head, since I wouldn't take anything or any food within 2 hours of the doxy, because of the directions. I have just recently saw on here where it's advised to take with food, which is really good to know. And adding in the probiotics, and detox just seems like I run out of hours, lol
Posted 3/31/2017 5:09 PM (GMT -5)
lmlynn - it is difficult sometimes to space everything out.

What I do with regard to antibiotics, food, probiotics and binder. (start time varies on how long I sleep)

9:00 a.m. - take antibiotics (empty stomach ones - eg Rifampin)
9:45 - take antibiotics that are ok with food (for me minocycline) It bothers my esophagus if I don't eat soon after.
10:00 - eat breakfast and take supplements

noon - eat lunch, take supplements and probiotics

5:00 - take abx on empty stomach (eg Rifampin)
5:45 - take minocycline
6:00 - eat dinner and probiotics

8:00 - if I remember - take more probiotics.

10:30/11:00 - Take binder.

You can eat an hour after taking the antibiotics.

Sometimes I take the binder at 8:00 and the probiotics at 10:30/11:00
I don't know which way is best...so I mix it up.
Posted 3/31/2017 5:31 PM (GMT -5)
lmlynn, there are different types of magnesium. I take magnesium citrate because it is somewhat of a laxative which keeps my system regulated. Type in 'best forms of magnesium' in the google search bar. PeteZa has a good article on them.

Patty
Posted 3/31/2017 5:34 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for the info
Posted 3/31/2017 5:38 PM (GMT -5)
And I was told that Magnesium glycinate doesn't have as much of a laxative effect than the other types.
Posted 3/31/2017 7:08 PM (GMT -5)
The magnesium I take has both forms.
Posted 3/31/2017 10:24 PM (GMT -5)
Just foot baths for me. I use the epsom soak more for sleep. Lowers cortisol and relaxes muscles (all muscles so the laxative effect is a thing). The nights I do it the quality of sleep is measurably better.
Posted 3/31/2017 10:25 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...
And I was told that Magnesium glycinate doesn't have as much of a laxative effect than the other types.

Yes, mag glycinate is one notch or so better absorbed than mag citrate. In my experience, mag malate is right under mag glycinate.

One I have not tried but would like to is mag taurate - its chilated with the amino Tuarine.
Posted 4/1/2017 6:52 AM (GMT -5)
I often do the bath with epsom, take 200- 400 mg mag glycinate at bed, and spray magnesium on my legs (for restless leg). I'm a real fan of the topical. My kids spray it on their legs at bedtime because it helps them go to sleep easier. I like Ease brand (bought on amazon, of course!).
Posted 4/1/2017 7:18 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks for all the info!

K07- I just added the mag glycinate and the ease to my Amazon cart. My husband has problems with his legs at night. Thanks
Posted 4/1/2017 8:42 AM (GMT -5)
Here is a great link for information on the different types of magnesium: www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/types-of-magnesium/

I based my choices of continuing to use magnesium oxide (because I'm nearly always on the side of constipation) and magnesium orotate, which has helped my muscle twitches and spasms better than any other form - that may be just me though. Just never know! LOL!
Posted 4/1/2017 8:58 AM (GMT -5)
Just harking back a little to your earlier comment on Doxy and food - yes definitely take it with food or on a full stomach. And with a large glass of water too. It alone can do some funny stuff to your digestive system, lol! (OK, not even a laughing matter ;) ) I had to take it in the middle of a meal!
Posted 4/3/2017 1:47 PM (GMT -5)
I do absolutely great on malate and threonate... citrate and glycinate were laxatives for me at pretty much any dose... I do epsom detox baths 2-3 times per week along with 1275 mg Malate 2 times per day... and it's been great. I hope the blood work shows improvement there in another 6 weeks.
Posted 4/3/2017 5:36 PM (GMT -5)
The Epsom Salt I take with a towel bath, I guess you can just 1/2 teaspoon some into a glass too and it will have a fairly quick laxative effect. I have a Magnesium Citrate form as well that is supposed to absorb more. Magnesium though I agree is essential. It relieves the twitching and heart palps. And it seems to put my anxiety in the background so I can sleep or work when I need to. But that's a good question, how much magnesium is too much? And how do you know? Seems like if it's very laxative then reduce dosage, not sure how else to know if there's too much Magnesium in your system.

The metals are interesting, I think binders can pull on good metals too, so you have to replenish. Zinc also. And Claritin (Loratadine) interferes with Manganese that may disrupt Borrelia (they're still studying it @ Stanford).
Posted 4/3/2017 9:14 PM (GMT -5)
.............."1275 mg Malate 2 times per day".......

1275 mg is more than I've heard of,...... but that times two = 2250. wow. You might hold the record.

Most I ever took was 800mg KAL brand (used both glyc. and mal.) in one day/night. I'm thinking brands might make a difference too. KAL mag glycinate never gave me a laxative effect, below 800mg, helps sleep and pain. Too sleepy for day use though.

Note : Magnessium can absorb other RX meds (abx included), so people spacing it out during the day, take note.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/3/2017 8:18:39 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/3/2017 9:57 PM (GMT -5)
[url]https://www.organicnewsroom.com/magnesium-supplements/[url]

Great article on the different types of magnesium.
Posted 4/4/2017 10:51 AM (GMT -5)
yeah, astroman, it's a lot... I assume my issues may start to resolve so I can lower the dose. I know it was meant to be temporary... when I would try to take the citrate, I would just have disaster pants all the time... and my blood work never improved ... so I clearly have absorption issues.

My current doctor had me take the malate. I am due for blood work in May, so fingers are crossed. Believe it or not my hubby was given the same dosage.
Posted 4/4/2017 11:37 AM (GMT -5)
You don't necessarily have absorption issues due to your experience with mag citrate - that has a laxative effect.

This is the article that I based my magnesium choices on, and it's been pretty accurate for me:
www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/types-of-magnesium/
Posted 4/4/2017 11:43 AM (GMT -5)
That's interesting. I do not take calcium, but I do take zinc as well. I'm not certain where threonate fits in but I could be having a dumb day, hahahahahahaha . -- I kind of just kept trying them, and had issues digestively with almost all, even at tiny doses... I finally settled on threonate and then doc switched me to malate... it's not causing digestive issues, so I'm ok with it and interested in blood test results...
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