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Posted 4/6/2017 7:21 PM (GMT -5)
I've been taking the easy stuff for bab and Bart. Grateful that I've had some easing of symptoms and now the major (literally) burr in my saddle is this pyriformis pain. Ive had it before but it came back worse than ever a short while before I got sick with this $%&#~ and has plagued me for months. Now I'm regaining stamina but walking hurts my bum really bad. I really need to get out walking. I'm thinking Bart may now be dominant and has settled into and exacerbated this old injury. All my yoga and pyriformis stretch exercises aren't helping.

So far, I'm taking skullcap, red sage, cordyceps, ecgc, nac, milk thistle, motherwort . Can't tolerate ashwagandha or quercetin. Scared of arginine since I had shingles last July.

Im looking at bottles of sida acuta, alchornea cordifola, bidens pilosa, cryptolepis, Japanese Knotweed. Which one do you think best to tackle next with bart in mind? Sida and alchornea are used for both Bart and bab. Next up? Where do you think I'll get the best bang for the buck?

Post Edited (BJD55) : 4/7/2017 10:04:24 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/6/2017 7:43 PM (GMT -5)
According to Buhner" For Bartonella:
Japeneese Knotweed(Polygonum) Tincture 1/4- 1/2 Tsp 3X daily

EGCG with quercetin 800 mg EGCG plus 1200 mg quercetin

L-arginine 500-1000 mg 3x daily

Cordyceps Tincture, 1/4 tsp 3x daily

Sida acuta 30-60 drops 3-4x daily

Red root ticture 1/4 to 1/2 tsp 3x daily

Milk thistle seed Standardized extract,capsules, 1200 mg daily

Hawthorn tincture 1/4 tsp to 1/2 tsp 3x daily

Rhodiola/ashwagandha combo equal parts of each tincture, 1/2 tsp 3x
daily

Isatis/houttuynia/alchornea combo equal parts each tincture1/2 tsp 3x
daily

Pomegranate juice throughout the day

Vitamin E(alpha tocopherol) 200 IU or 150 mg daily

This is his core protocol for bartonella from book "Healing Lyme Co-Infections" for Bartonella and Mycoplasma a different book than his other "healing Lyme"

It also has additional herbs etc for different specific symptoms/issues of Bart.

As always use caution when starting anything new. I start at one drop of only one tincture to see how I tolerate and the build up from there a few days before I add another herb.

Take care Jo
Posted 4/6/2017 7:51 PM (GMT -5)
I would start with Japanese Knotweed:

It is a natural anti-inflammatory , penetrates blood/brain barrier well, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-spirochetal, immunomodulant,...etc...
Posted 4/7/2017 2:07 AM (GMT -5)
Id try artminsin and houttynia if you wanna get down to bizness
Posted 4/7/2017 10:04 AM (GMT -5)
Hubby went to the store and bought this electro therapy pain reliever gizmo.

It is like a tens unit. Gosh was it weird and strange, but it worked for me and it was not expensive.

Omron electro therapy unit - Mine was at my local drug store.
Posted 4/7/2017 10:25 AM (GMT -5)
I'd say the Japanese knotweed is what I would suggest as well, more for it's anti-inflammatory aspects as well since you are having issues with the sciatic nerve.

You may wish to consider using Lion's mane as well, as it's been proven to help rebuild the myelin sheath that protects the nerves. I've been using it for a little over 2 months now and it's been a help to me.
Posted 4/7/2017 10:27 AM (GMT -5)
I agree with Japanese Knotweed
Posted 4/7/2017 10:28 AM (GMT -5)

PeteZa said...
Hubby went to the store and bought this electro therapy pain reliever gizmo.

It is like a tens unit. Gosh was it weird and strange, but it worked for me and it was not expensive.

Omron electro therapy unit - Mine was at my local drug store.


I'll try that, bet it doesn't cause a herx ☺️
Posted 4/7/2017 10:31 AM (GMT -5)
The problem with those devices - and why I don't use one now - is that it can irritate already irritated nerves, so do be cautious with it. It helps some, but not others. For me, it helped for a while, then started making things worse.
Posted 4/7/2017 10:36 AM (GMT -5)
I set mine on as low as it could go and I got excellent relief. I never did it higher than low.
Posted 4/7/2017 10:42 AM (GMT -5)
I became very sensitive to all kinds of electric type things - heating pads, electric blankets, microwaves and so on. But the electric impulse stimulation of any muscles or nerves was incredibly painful for me. Not everyone will experience this, but since we don't know who or when it might strike, it's just a warning to not push it if it doesn't work for that person.
Posted 4/7/2017 10:43 AM (GMT -5)
I'm not trying to push it. Just putting it out there as an option.
Posted 4/7/2017 11:01 AM (GMT -5)
My physiotherapist was going to use either a muscle stimulator or a TENS unit on me (they are similar)

When I went for my next appointment she said she wasn't comfortable doing it...she didn't know much about lyme and co's..but what she learned is it wasn't a good idea.

i know pre-lyme diagnosis...my husband put the TENS on my thoracic area...and it just about sent me through the roof...it was not good for my nerve issues.
I had to stop using it.

I don't think I tried the muscle stim pre diagnosis.
Posted 4/7/2017 11:02 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks all. Since I have the jk on hand, it's easy to start there. The houttuynia - isatis - alchornea combo looks compelling also but maybe the jk and cytokine modulators will prep me for that. Seems I've read that most people herx pretty bad on the houttuynia.
Until recently, the fatigue has been so bad that I'd been confined to my recliner all day for 6 solid months. My wife's yoga teacher says "sitting is the new smoking". I believe it. I'm glad to be up and about now and will be even gladder to be rid of this pain in my bum.
Posted 4/7/2017 11:11 AM (GMT -5)
Well for the $25 it sure was worth it to me.

I tried Astroman's methods for Piriformis Syndrome and they did not work. I don't think I could push hard enough on the corner of the table.

There is a Piri-Stretcher that did not work for me also.

There was some technique that he really liked. I had initials and I can't remember it off hand. I could not find anyone in my area to try that on me.

So this is what worked for me and I am ever so grateful.
Posted 4/7/2017 11:17 AM (GMT -5)
Ah ha, found the thread!! It is called Active Release Therapy. ART.
Posted 4/7/2017 11:39 AM (GMT -5)
I'm throwing my 2 cents in too, in favor of Jap. Knotweed.
Posted 4/7/2017 5:59 PM (GMT -5)
I saw the acupuncturist this am and the pyriformis pain feels approximately 37.5% better😊. Also, I picked up one of those tens units like you got PeteZa. I'll wait to try it out as I don't want to undo my successful acupuncturist treatment. She used a cold laser in addition to needling me. Definitely going back next week,. The malaise/dizzy/foggy feeling is somewhat better also.

I'll start the Knotweed tomorrow. I guess I've gotta cowboy up and just deal with some degree of herxing. Hopefully it won't make me agitated like the a-Bab and Lyme Formula did, dang those were gnarly. I've never felt like such a wimp in my life.
Posted 4/7/2017 6:25 PM (GMT -5)
bvt will test the threshold of courage?! ...houttynia was a cakewalk compared to rifampin
Posted 4/7/2017 8:42 PM (GMT -5)
Allergic to been stings so bvt isn't gonna happen. I don't see my new llmd til 5/3. Don't know what's in the cards with him or how I'll be doing in a month as I'm trending upward for some reason.
Posted 4/7/2017 8:54 PM (GMT -5)

BJD55 said...
Allergic to been stings so bvt isn't gonna happen. I don't see my new llmd til 5/3. Don't know what's in the cards with him or how I'll be doing in a month as I'm trending upward for some reason.

Trending upward...is good...yay!
Posted 4/7/2017 11:22 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

BJD55 said...
Allergic to been stings so bvt isn't gonna happen. I don't see my new llmd til 5/3. Don't know what's in the cards with him or how I'll be doing in a month as I'm trending upward for some reason.

Trending upward...is good...yay!


Indeed, but it's a bumpy ride. Not linear.
Posted 4/8/2017 10:49 AM (GMT -5)
I think it's safe to say that most of us have that 'bumpy ride' too - but trending upwards is a good sign!!!! YAY!!!

Besides, we like hearing even a little bit of good news!! turn
Posted 4/8/2017 11:58 AM (GMT -5)

Traveler said...
I think it's safe to say that most of us have that 'bumpy ride' too - but trending upwards is a good sign!!!! YAY!!!

Besides, we like hearing even a little bit of good news!! turn


I say so with some trepidation that I might jinx myself. It seems like peeling back layers. Once something resolves, other symptoms that were more background move to the front.

But..... I think it's best to put it out to the universe that I'm getting better, and so it shall be. I fully intend to rebuild myself from this health crisis to be better in every way. There, I said it, that felt good.

OH PS. I started Knotweed today, just one little drop.
Posted 4/8/2017 12:48 PM (GMT -5)
I know what you mean!! I've had a few minor improvements (but as we know, they can surely make life much more tolerable!), but I keep shying away from saying anything to anyone! LOL! I know that I won't really jinx myself, on the other hand - I'm not sure I want to take that chance!! LOL!

And good for you!!! I'm all the way up to 10 whole drops of JK!!! LOL! I started using it at the end of December - now that's going at a snail's pace! But, I've been incorporating other things along the way also. I'm actually starting to feel near human again!! turn Woo hoo!!
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