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Posted 4/19/2017 1:50 PM (GMT -5)
I am still waiting to hear from my LLMD, but she as posted my co-infection panel from MDL to my patient portal.

She tested for the following:

Babesia microti IgG/IgM by ELISA - NEG
Bartonella henselae IgG/IgM by ELISA - NEG
Mycoplasma Pneumoniae IgG/IgM by ELISA - POS - Abnormal
Chlamydia Pneumoniae IgG/IgM by ELISA - POS - Abnormal


I have definitely heard of mycoplasma as a co-infection but not chlamydia.... Is this something I should be concerned about? Are these two things that would cause the fatigue and brain fog that I am having and can they be fixed?

Post Edited (NicHostetler) : 4/19/2017 12:55:47 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/19/2017 1:56 PM (GMT -5)
They do need to be treated.


If you're treating lyme and coinfections with pharma - they should be taken care of with that treatment.

But if you're treating herbally...I believe Buhner has a protocol for mycoplasma...not sure about Chlamdia Pneumoniae...

Hopefully someone else will be along to post some information.
Posted 4/19/2017 1:58 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...
They do need to be treated.


If you're treating lyme and coinfections with pharma - they should be taken care of with that treatment.

But if you're treating herbally...I believe Buhner has a protocol for mycoplasma...not sure about Chlamdia Pneumoniae...

Hopefully someone else will be along to post some information.

Thanks for the quick response. Is Chlamdia Pneumoniae a co-infection of Lyme? Is it common to have these two (mychoplasma and Chlamida Pneumoniae)?

Post Edited (NicHostetler) : 4/19/2017 1:11:12 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/19/2017 2:18 PM (GMT -5)
I haven't gotten that far into the book, but buhners newest edition of healing lyme addresses chlamydia as a coinfection (it is right in the title).

Edit: Betterhealthguy.com just put out a podcast that was done today or yesterday with buhner. I am sure he addresses it in there.

Post Edited (cindy22706) : 4/19/2017 1:23:11 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/19/2017 2:36 PM (GMT -5)
Many people think that Chlamydia P is the STD but that is a totally different bacteria. So no need to worry on that one.

Chlamydia P is generally respiratory. As Cindy said, Buhner does address it in his Healing Lyme 2nd Ed book.
Posted 4/19/2017 4:18 PM (GMT -5)

PeteZa said...
Many people think that Chlamydia P is the STD but that is a totally different bacteria. So no need to worry on that one.

Chlamydia P is generally respiratory. As Cindy said, Buhner does address it in his Healing Lyme 2nd Ed book.

Ahh gotcha. That's what I assumed but wasn't sure. Is that something that is treated well with antibitics?
Posted 4/19/2017 4:27 PM (GMT -5)
Check with your doc. I think there are definitely antibiotics for it, but I am not well versed in antibiotics.

It is totally treatable and not contagious from what I have read. Maybe someone else will have more information.
Posted 4/19/2017 5:25 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks so much for the info PeteZa!

I'm just curious why I only tested positive for these two things and not babesia or Bartonella. Could this mean that maybe I have an autoimmune disease and not Lyme? Or are these definitely related to Lyme?

I will definitely ask my doc all these things when she calls, but just want to get some answers sooner. I'm kind of worried..
Posted 4/19/2017 6:17 PM (GMT -5)
No, NicHostetier -this doesn't indicate an autoimmune disease instead of Lyme.

I can't remember what were your lyme test results?

Bart and Babesia testing often come back negative...even when we test positive for lyme.

They are less reliable/accurate than lyme testing.
So much so that many LLMD's will clinically diagnose the co-infections. In fact some LLMD's will automatically treat the 3 B's (Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella).
Posted 4/19/2017 7:05 PM (GMT -5)
For Babesia, I found a person with a 5000x microscope who pointed out the round Babesia formations on my red blood corpuscles. I also was able to see the lyme and biofilm in my blood samples. I'm sorry, but the lady won't let me give out her name. If you could find someone with a microscope thru you local support network, you might be able to determine whether you have Babesia and Bartonella. I agree that the tests are not very good, as the Lyme tests are not very good. Best of luck!
Posted 4/19/2017 8:40 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...
No, NicHostetier -this doesn't indicate an autoimmune disease instead of Lyme.

I can't remember what were your lyme test results?

Bart and Babesia testing often come back negative...even when we test positive for lyme.

They are less reliable/accurate than lyme testing.
So much so that many LLMD's will clinically diagnose the co-infections. In fact some LLMD's will automatically treat the 3 B's (Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella).

My Lyme test was labcorp western blot IgM positive. ELISA negative.

IgG bands: 18, 41, 66
IgM bands: 23, 41
Posted 4/19/2017 8:44 PM (GMT -5)

Aylett said...
For Babesia, I found a person with a 5000x microscope who pointed out the round Babesia formations on my red blood corpuscles. I also was able to see the lyme and biofilm in my blood samples. I'm sorry, but the lady won't let me give out her name. If you could find someone with a microscope thru you local support network, you might be able to determine whether you have Babesia and Bartonella. I agree that the tests are not very good, as the Lyme tests are not very good. Best of luck!

Interesting.. is this person in or around Indiana? There's a decent ND in Shipshewana, Indiana who looks at blood, but he tells everyone to do samento and citricidal and I don't think that works that well for everyone.
Posted 4/19/2017 9:11 PM (GMT -5)

NicHostetler said...

Girlie said...
No, NicHostetier -this doesn't indicate an autoimmune disease instead of Lyme.

I can't remember what were your lyme test results?

Bart and Babesia testing often come back negative...even when we test positive for lyme.

They are less reliable/accurate than lyme testing.
So much so that many LLMD's will clinically diagnose the co-infections. In fact some LLMD's will automatically treat the 3 B's (Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella).

My Lyme test was labcorp western blot IgM positive. ELISA negative.

IgG bands: 18, 41, 66
IgM bands: 23, 41

No question - you have Lyme disease.
Posted 4/20/2017 6:27 AM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

NicHostetler said...

Girlie said...
No, NicHostetier -this doesn't indicate an autoimmune disease instead of Lyme.

I can't remember what were your lyme test results?

Bart and Babesia testing often come back negative...even when we test positive for lyme.

They are less reliable/accurate than lyme testing.
So much so that many LLMD's will clinically diagnose the co-infections. In fact some LLMD's will automatically treat the 3 B's (Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella).

My Lyme test was labcorp western blot IgM positive. ELISA negative.

IgG bands: 18, 41, 66
IgM bands: 23, 41

No question - you have Lyme disease.


Because of band 23?
Posted 4/20/2017 10:16 AM (GMT -5)

NicHostetler said...

Girlie said...

NicHostetler said...

Girlie said...
No, NicHostetier -this doesn't indicate an autoimmune disease instead of Lyme.

I can't remember what were your lyme test results?

Bart and Babesia testing often come back negative...even when we test positive for lyme.

They are less reliable/accurate than lyme testing.
So much so that many LLMD's will clinically diagnose the co-infections. In fact some LLMD's will automatically treat the 3 B's (Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella).

My Lyme test was labcorp western blot IgM positive. ELISA negative.

IgG bands: 18, 41, 66
IgM bands: 23, 41




No question - you have Lyme disease.


Because of band 23?


Positive bands 23 and 41 together - IGM - are Igenex and CDC Positive (reading my Igenex lab results sheet)
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