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Posted 8/3/2017 3:32 PM (GMT -5)
My recent symptoms got me thinking. I was bitten by a stray cat a few years ago and had a red line coming from the bite location on my hand all the way up my arm. It was very painful. I went to the ER and they prescribed me antibiotics and that was that.

Fast forward to last Spring. I was bit by a tick in N virginia and had the bully eye rash. 10 days abx. Now experiencing ataxia.

So, could i have possibly contracted Bart from the cat and it sat dormant in me until the Lyme infection?

AND, how reliable is Bart testing? Is Bart just as elusive to find as Lyme?
Posted 8/3/2017 4:40 PM (GMT -5)
Hi Its possible as cats can carry the Bartonella but ticks also carry many other things besides just Lyme. So Bartonella could also occur from the tick bite.

You said you had the bulls eye so treating for 10 days is not enough.

Since you are having symptoms I would suggest you go to an llmd(Lyme Literate MD) to get proper treatment.

If you haven't already read "Our New To Lyme"start here thread at the top of the page it will be helpful.

There is information on treatment, detoxing, diet, testing and much more.

Others with more experience should be along soon.

Take care , Jo
Posted 8/3/2017 5:15 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you. I am seeing a LL neurologist. Waiting for tezt results.

They testrd for Bart as well. Are the coinfections pretty elusive?
Posted 8/3/2017 5:16 PM (GMT -5)
Lyme is known to be the 'gateway' pathogen to all others. It's like Lyme is the bus and all the other pathogens are the passengers those passengers don't go anywhere unless there's someone to drive them. So it could be you had a dormant infection until Lyme showed up or the tick that bit you also had bartonella. You'll never know.

There are a lot of people walking around with pathogens like babesia and bartonella that isn't a problem because their immune system can handle it but the minute you bring Lyme to the party everything gets turned upside down.
Posted 8/3/2017 5:41 PM (GMT -5)
A good llmd can clinically diagnosis and treat by the symptoms that have.

I am glad you have an llmd, keep us posted on how you are doing and remember we are here for questions and support.

You take care, Jo
Posted 8/3/2017 8:21 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you! smile
Posted 8/3/2017 9:56 PM (GMT -5)

Hoagie said...
My recent symptoms got me thinking. I was bitten by a stray cat a few years ago and had a red line coming from the bite location on my hand all the way up my arm. It was very painful. I went to the ER and they prescribed me antibiotics and that was that.

Fast forward to last Spring. I was bit by a tick in N virginia and had the bully eye rash. 10 days abx. Now experiencing ataxia.

So, could i have possibly contracted Bart from the cat and it sat dormant in me until the Lyme infection?

AND, how reliable is Bart testing? Is Bart just as elusive to find as Lyme?

It could simply be that the lyme wasn't treated long enough. 10 days abx isn't enough. You need to treat until symptom free plus 4 weeks when you have a bulls eye rash.
Posted 8/4/2017 3:59 AM (GMT -5)
You can see bart with giemsa stain via microscopy at 1000x pretty easy...galaxy labs and dna connexions maybne able to assist if you need confirmation
this tootys vid of bart attacking kete with phase contrast scope /www.youtube.com/watch?v=F331jqs3qaE
Posted 8/30/2017 1:27 PM (GMT -5)
The more I think about it, the more I think I had contracted Bart from that cat. Even before the tick bite I was having some strange neuro issues that are now going crazy again. Shortly after the cat bite I suffered from a deep chronic itch on my heal. I would have to go at it with a key for about a minute straight several times a day for at least six months. Around the same time I was getting muscle twitches in my calves for about the same amount of time. They both subsided after a while. But recently, they have started going crazy again.

I tested negative for bart, but that doesn't mean it's not there, right?
Posted 8/30/2017 1:33 PM (GMT -5)
A negative bart test does NOT rule it out.


Some LLMD's treat all three B's because the testing is so unreliable.



I think I've had a bart infection from a cat bite that got infected when I was about 5 or 6 years old.

And, then a recent tick bite...or the very stressful three years leading up to my lyme symptoms starting triggered it.
Posted 8/30/2017 2:24 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...
A negative bart test does NOT rule it out.


Some LLMD's treat all three B's because the testing is so unreliable.



I think I've had a bart infection from a cat bite that got infected when I was about 5 or 6 years old.

And, then a recent tick bite...or the very stressful three years leading up to my lyme symptoms starting triggered it.

Thanks Girlie. It would make sense if it was Bart. But, since my test came back negative, I'm not totally sure they are treating for the Bart as well. Something I need to address next appointment.

Would Minocycline, Azithromycin, & Flagyl treat bart as well? Or should I start on an herbal regimen for Bart too?
Posted 8/30/2017 2:26 PM (GMT -5)
A macrolide paired with a tetracycline can be used as a treatment - but I think if it's been a chronic infection for awhile...then it's not going to be 'enough'.

Rifampin is one of the abx that is used. It can be paired with minocycline, doxycycline, azithromycin, biaxin, Bactrim....and a few more.

If you're not going to take Rifampin then, I think you should be adding in an herbal protocol.
Houttuynia, JK, Sida Acuta...are Buhner's herbs that target Bart.

And, I would also take Hawthorne for cardiovascular/heart support.
Posted 8/30/2017 2:58 PM (GMT -5)
Where is the best, and most price convenient place to purchase Sida Acuta?
Posted 8/30/2017 3:25 PM (GMT -5)
Well I personally prefer to take Buhner's recommended sources - but they're not the cheapest.

Here's a few:

Woodland Essence
Sage Woman Herbs
Montana Farmacy
Posted 8/30/2017 9:56 PM (GMT -5)

bluelyme said...
You can see bart with giemsa stain via microscopy at 1000x pretty easy...galaxy labs and dna connexions maybne able to assist if you need confirmation
this tootys vid of bart attacking kete with phase contrast scope /www.youtube.com/watch?v=F331jqs3qaE

Boy, I haven't been on here in a while. Blue, you are SO correct about it being easy to see in Giemsa at 1000x! Unfortunately, most people are not able or willing to take the plunge on a cheap microscope and some stain. Very easy to see when it's there, though, that's for sure. So is Babesia, but you usually have to really look for that one, since it can present as variations of the classic ringform and pyriform and can be hard to differentiate from platelets sometimes. Not to mention the fact that in chronic Babesiosis the number of organisms can be scant. That's been my experience with lab-verified Babesiosis patients.

Houytunia is very good for Bart. Woodland Essence is my preferred source.

Doxy and Azithromycin definitely hit it too, as does Alinia (in my experience).
Posted 9/2/2017 11:07 AM (GMT -5)
Here are a couple pics from my microscopy that likely shows Bartonella:

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But, it usually presents like this (and this is what is typically presented in the literature, especially Hemo-Bartonella):
(My picture also)
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A pic of mine of the classic Babesia ringform:

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Posted 9/2/2017 12:38 PM (GMT -5)
Doxy and Azithromycin often won't be enough for Bart.


Might need to do Rifampin...that's the usual pharma that the LLMD's prescribe (combined with another antibiotic)


Also the fluoroquinolones - but I wouldn't take them - not with the two Black Box warning labels they have.
Posted 9/4/2017 1:37 AM (GMT -5)

TOOTY said...

bluelyme said...
You can see bart with giemsa stain via microscopy at 1000x pretty easy...galaxy labs and dna connexions maybne able to assist if you need confirmation
this tootys vid of bart attacking kete with phase contrast scope /www.youtube.com/watch?v=F331jqs3qaE

Boy, I haven't been on here in a while. Blue, you are SO correct about it being easy to see in Giemsa at 1000x! Unfortunately, most people are not able or willing to take the plunge on a cheap microscope and some stain. Very easy to see when it's there, though, that's for sure. So is Babesia, but you usually have to really look for that one, since it can present as variations of the classic ringform and pyriform and can be hard to differentiate from platelets sometimes. Not to mention the fact that in chronic Babesiosis the number of organisms can be scant. That's been my experience with lab-verified Babesiosis patients.

Houytunia is very good for Bart. Woodland Essence is my preferred source.

Doxy and Azithromycin definitely hit it too, as does Alinia (in my experience).



i think iv silver and bvt and allicin , works on em too , thanks so much for the pic tooty was just looking for that for someone
Posted 9/4/2017 4:03 AM (GMT -5)
Tooty
I have been to a naturopath which claimed to see bartonella in my blood. I was looking as well and I must agree it looked a lot like in the pictures. I would like to check it out more myself. Do you have any microscope or setup to recommend? what magnification is it on your pics here?
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