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Posted 9/15/2017 3:35 PM (GMT -5)
Iam trying to figure out what in the world is causing my headaches.

Most of the time they are in the front of my forehead, behind my eyes and my eyes MAY hurt sometimes when moving them.

Is this usually a bart headache or a babesia headache?
Posted 9/15/2017 3:56 PM (GMT -5)
This is from an article I like

Both Babesia and Bartonella cause headaches, but Bartonella headaches are worse. A Babesia headache produces more weird sensations in the head and pressure in the head. People with active Babesia infections will say, “I don’t know if I’d really call what I have a headache. It’s more like a pressure in the head.” Babesia can cause migraines as can Bartonella, but Babesia migraines are generally less severe. Bartonella prefers the occipital areas of the head; the back of the head and neck are generally painful. So pain is a dominant characteristic of Bartonella.

www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29861&utm_content=buffere0f74&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Posted 9/15/2017 4:06 PM (GMT -5)
Jackie read these 2 articles very informative:

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/bartonella-like-organisms-blo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/babesia-like-organisms-bablo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/
Posted 9/15/2017 10:56 PM (GMT -5)
I get both sad
Posted 9/16/2017 9:20 AM (GMT -5)

Rikky1 said...
Jackie read these 2 articles very informative:

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/bartonella-like-organisms-blo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/

www.gordonmedical.com/unravelling-complex-chronic-illness/babesia-like-organisms-bablo-consideration-signs-and-symptoms/

I like Gordon Medical's descriptions because they are in plain English as we would describe them. However, I don't know that I agree with all of them for several reasons. His descriptions seem different and almost opposite from others, although I can't remember now what other sources I was comparing it to. It also doesn't all ine up with my personal experience.

For example: I have some definitive signs of Bartonella - stretch marks on thighs, streaks on abdomen, and foot pain. I also have joint stiffness in fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles, toes. My joint symptoms have always been bilateral and never unilateral or migrating. I do not have redness or swelling or aching pain associated with arthritis like you would expect from Lyme arthritis, so I've always assumed my joint symptoms were related to Bart. Buhner describes Bart joint symptoms that sound more like mine.

Buhner says in his bartonella book that headache is most often severe especially at the front of the head and behind the eyes. When occipital, it is often accompanied by a stiffness of the neck (pages 287-288).

I have both frontal and occipital just as Buhner described for Bartonella.

Buhner gives relatively little description of babesia symptoms in the babesia book, mostly describes acute infection (pages 45-49). He includes headache in the list but doesn't describe them.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 9/16/2017 8:23:03 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/16/2017 9:29 AM (GMT -5)
jackie81, my head pain was so bad that I didn't care what caused it. I treated for lyme with herbs and what ever was causing mine (I am guessing Bart) took care of the head pain.

Mine hurt so bad that I could not do research to see what was making it hurt so bad. I just wanted it gone.
Posted 9/16/2017 10:58 AM (GMT -5)
I have had every headache imaginable -- ice picks, frontal/temporal, rear of head, whole head pressure, one-sided migraines -- and I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bart and Babs. My headaches have been completely debilitating at times.

Now that I have treated Babesia, I no longer have "entire head" headaches or pressure at the top of my head, and I can go several days without any headache. My headaches now are the ones you describe -- behind and around my eyes, and sometimes on my cheekbones/sinuses. My ND thinks they are Bart headaches. But, my LLMD said they could be either.

I'm turning to herbs next for Lyme and Bart as my stomach can no longer tolerate oral antibiotics. Hoping these headaches go away for both us very soon.

Take Care.
Posted 9/16/2017 11:29 AM (GMT -5)
I have bart and have had the "hurts when i move my eyes" pain. Most of the headaches for me are bad stiffness at the base of my skull and that radiates up to the top of my head. Those usually happen when i overexert and lose too many electrolytes
Posted 9/17/2017 4:11 PM (GMT -5)
I don't have headaches - but I have pressure inside my head...behind my eyes.

During one cycle of Mepron and minocycline it got really bad. Felt like my eyes were going to pop out of the sockets....and my head was going to explode.

I then started 'googling' and found that Minocycline can cause intracranial hypertension...

It freaked me out...so I switched the mino for Ceftin.

That was over a month ago now...and the pressure is about 10% of what it was.

Unfortunately I don't know if it was a bad herx I was having...or if it was a mino side effect.
Posted 9/17/2017 11:58 PM (GMT -5)
I too have horrendous headaches😩 I am on day 10 of constant head pain that moves around my head, from the sinuses to the top and back, I also have been feeling really out of it, like I'm drugged! I so long for a break, but often when the headaches come they last for a month sometimes longer before I have a break! I'm treating Lyme and babesia but wonder if Bart is a part of it too even though I didn't test positive for it.
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