A Bart and extreme toothache

I have been taking the Byron white protocol for about 3 months now and have noticed fairly significant improvement in symptoms. Thursday had a very bad reaction to A Bart. I experienced sudden and extreme pain in several teeth in the same area. A month or so ago I had moderate tooth pain at a lower dose of a Bart in the same teeth. I did have to cut back on the dose for a week or so and gradually ramp back up to the 20 drops I've been at for about a month. I know it is the a Bart as I took a day off and took only 5 drops and had the same tooth pain but much milder.

The pain from a couple days ago was excruciating I had to see my Dr as an emergency and get a vicodin script. It felt like my teeth were going to explode or crack into pieces I really can't over state how painful this was.

So my question is how can this be possible by the supposed herxheimer reaction. That explanation just doesn't make sense to me. It makes me very Leary of these supplements and what's really in them and what they are actually doing.

I honestly find the herx explanation for all the bizzare symptoms people have while treating Lyme questionable.

Is there anyone on here who has actually treated their Lyme successfully? With Byron white herbals? Or any treatment plan?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Hi Titusx -

As Girlie mentioned, many people have healed with the herbals - not just with BW formulas but other herbal protocols. And with abx. But we don't hear from them as often as we do from those still treating - once people heal they're anxious to get back to their lives - in a hurry to catch up, as you can imagine.

The herxing is not all that unusual - it's simply sepsis, which is common when a pathogen load dies off and the body struggles in the process of eliminating the die off and debris.

I treated with BW when I first started treating Lyme & Co. I had no reaction at all to the AL-Complex for Lyme - no improvement in sx and within a few months my sx became so bad I started losing the ability to walk. So I switched to abx. I continued with A-bart and A-babs. I herxed less and less as I worked up to max doses but it did take a few months. The herxing also changed and I'd have weird pains and reactions throughout the body from day-to-day.

Tinctures like a-bart likely hit a LOT of microbes, not just bart. It's virtually impossible to know what we have in our bodies - much of it cuases asymptomatic responses but can still be impacted with antimicrobial treatment and cause herxing. One coinfection is known as "bart-like organism" or BLO and it's treated like bart.

So, it's likely you're either hitting a dental infection, causing the nerves feeding the teeth to be inflamed or you might be hitting something closer to the sinuses - depending on what kind of "tooth pain" you're experiencing.

Can you describe the tooth pain? Is it a pain in the tooth itself, or is it a pain in the root area of the tooth?

Have you ever experienced dry sockets, which results from the nerve endings around the roots of the tooth becoming exposed to air after getting your teeth removed - like having your molars taken out? This kind of pain can happen with a sinus infection since the membranes in the sinus cavities can become inflamed and can press on these nerves.

The reason I'm asking if you can describe the pain is to help provide suggestions. So the "dry socket" type pain (which I agree, is incredibly severe - this flared for me when I developed Mycoplasma pneumonia a couple wks ago) can be from infection or from inflammation. The other tooth pain is probably just from inflammation.

One thing you can try is anti-inflammatories like turmeric. Japanese Knotweed is also an anti-inflammatory, but it has antimicrobial components, too so you need to be careful with doses at the start and watch for herxing.

If the pain is more like a tooth pain (as if you had a cavity) then you might have some luck with oil pulling with coconut oil and adding oil of oregano, tee tree oil - something that has antimicrobial components to it, and anti-inflammatory. Lots of info online about oil pulling.

If you don't feel some relief eventually, you might want to get checked out by your dentist but I think you should be able to make progress with more time on the a-bart and some anti-inflammatory protocol.

Make sure you're detoxing well, too. I had to continually find new and improved ways to detox as I progressed through treatment. I made huge improvements focusing on GI detox.

-p

Pirouette said...
Hi Titusx -

As Girlie mentioned, many people have healed with the herbals - not just with BW formulas but other herbal protocols. And with abx. But we don't hear from them as often as we do from those still treating - once people heal they're anxious to get back to their lives - in a hurry to catch up, as you can imagine.

The herxing is not all that unusual - it's simply sepsis, which is common when a pathogen load dies off and the body struggles in the process of eliminating the die off and debris.

I treated with BW when I first started treating Lyme & Co. I had no reaction at all to the AL-Complex for Lyme - no improvement in sx and within a few months my sx became so bad I started losing the ability to walk. So I switched to abx. I continued with A-bart and A-babs. I herxed less and less as I worked up to max doses but it did take a few months. The herxing also changed and I'd have weird pains and reactions throughout the body from day-to-day.

Tinctures like a-bart likely hit a LOT of microbes, not just bart. It's virtually impossible to know what we have in our bodies - much of it cuases asymptomatic responses but can still be impacted with antimicrobial treatment and cause herxing. One coinfection is known as "bart-like organism" or BLO and it's treated like bart.

So, it's likely you're either hitting a dental infection, causing the nerves feeding the teeth to be inflamed or you might be hitting something closer to the sinuses - depending on what kind of "tooth pain" you're experiencing.

Can you describe the tooth pain? Is it a pain in the tooth itself, or is it a pain in the root area of the tooth?

Have you ever experienced dry sockets, which results from the nerve endings around the roots of the tooth becoming exposed to air after getting your teeth removed - like having your molars taken out? This kind of pain can happen with a sinus infection since the membranes in the sinus cavities can become inflamed and can press on these nerves.

The reason I'm asking if you can describe the pain is to help provide suggestions. So the "dry socket" type pain (which I agree, is incredibly severe - this flared for me when I developed Mycoplasma pneumonia a couple wks ago) can be from infection or from inflammation. The other tooth pain is probably just from inflammation.

One thing you can try is anti-inflammatories like turmeric. Japanese Knotweed is also an anti-inflammatory, but it has antimicrobial components, too so you need to be careful with doses at the start and watch for herxing.

If the pain is more like a tooth pain (as if you had a cavity) then you might have some luck with oil pulling with coconut oil and adding oil of oregano, tee tree oil - something that has antimicrobial components to it, and anti-inflammatory. Lots of info online about oil pulling.

If you don't feel some relief eventually, you might want to get checked out by your dentist but I think you should be able to make progress with more time on the a-bart and some anti-inflammatory protocol.

Make sure you're detoxing well, too. I had to continually find new and improved ways to detox as I progressed through treatment. I made huge improvements focusing on GI detox.

Thanks to everyone for taking time to reply!.

I have had some receding gums in the same area and did have a wisdom tooth removed. That left a very low gum line at the back of my tooth. That back tooth did have a cavity that was very sensitive but I have been working to heal the cavity which I think has been successful. I now have no pain in that tooth and can chew food normally with no pain in the tooth. I did have significant pain in that whole area from A Bart as I increased up to 20 drops. That lasted several weeks but I eventually got through it and reached 20 drops. I have read that the bacteria that causes periodontal disease is also a spirochete...but not Lyme. So clearly the A Bart is doing something there. I stopped A Bart for two days and am only up to 14 drops a day.
Overall though I have had a lot of gum and mouth pain but it seems to be getting better. My gums also seem much healthier and the pocket from the wisdom tooth extraction is finally filling in
I have never had a cavity or any gum issues until a few years ago. And all those things seem to be improving with the Lyme protocol.

Piroutte, what did you do to detox GI? I have a lot of stomach issues. No appetite or sense of thirst bloating etc.



-p