Pain Management

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have any reccommendations for dealing with chronic pain associated with Lyme? What has worked for you?

Lately my nerve, muscle and joint pain has been bothering me much more than usual.

Post Edited (Intuition) : 11/16/2017 11:47:36 PM (GMT-7)

Celebrex worked the best for me.

I had relative success with the following but they have all had drawbacks in my case:

Increasing Magnesium intake. Much of my muscle inflammation was due to magnesium deficiency. Increasing intake improved this greatly for a short while. Whatever I am still infected with (Bartonella or Mold) liked the increase in Mg and began consuming it also and this led to the pain coming back. I have found a happy medium dose that allows for benefit.

Kratom. Works well for pain but tolerance builds with daily use and there is concern about becoming dependent. You can slow tolerance by using Agmatine Sulfate but this is an L-Arganine derivative. I use it and it does slow tolerance.

Gabapentin helped initially but I developed tolerance and rather than go up in dose I weaned off.

Soaking in a hot tub helped. Ive heard others use DMSO topically.

CBD oil is the best stuff I ever used for pain in the 7 years of treating this disease, I have very little pain left, but it still helps with the little back pain that I get.

There was a study done by Dr. Raphael Mechoulam in Jerusalem, showing that THC healed an injured mice's brain by 50% after use, was talked about on HBO Real Sports, here's the clip
/youtu.be/AccREj2l7c4

Cannabinoids like THC and CBD have not only helped with inflammation, pain, and healing. But they've shown to have high antibacterial properties as well.
/herb.co/2016/01/27/marijuana-next-big-antibiotic/

This is a win win supplement to use, I failed with just treating with cannabis and cbd for the borrelia infection, but they work great for inflammation.

Still a big fan of Turmeric too though.

Just remember that not all CBD is created equally and there's some companies that produce a poor product.

Companies have found out you must not only include a CBD, but terpenes and other cannabinoids from the hemp or marijuana plant to get the full "synergistic effect." If you get just a CBD product, you might not have as successful results. Then there's CBD oil that's extracted from the legal hemp plant and CBD oil that's extracted from a cannabis plant. The legal version found on the web is of course from hemp, but if you can, I think the CBD oil from a real marijuana plant is still better.

Just be aware, if you work, for some people they can test positive for marijuana even though the CBD oil tincture they're taking is 100% legal and below the .5% legal THC. I've seen people complain about that on Facebook CBD oil company pages.

I really don't like how companies are price gouging and taking advantage of people in pain right now, the prices should be a lot lower.

Stanley Brothers CW Hemp is great, but it's pretty expensive. I get this brand from a local dispensary in Michigan for $25, it's 100mg, but I find it's just as potent as the 500mg CW Hemp for $75.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 11/19/2017 12:49:20 AM (GMT-7)

I wish pot products worked for me. I am still evaluating MegaHydrate. It seems to reduce some of the inflammation but I am not sure. Another forum member said it reduced pain for them.

To eliminate the pain you need to eliminate the inflammation. It's the cause of the pain.
If you are still eating dairy and gluten you need to eliminate those from your diet as they are very inflammatory.
Taking supplements like Curcumin, magnesium, Zyflemend by New Chapter (a natural anti inflammatory) and a high dose of a high quality omega 3 like Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega will also help a lot.

I didn't find any relief with cbd either.

Glad it works well for you. I prefer Green Maeng Da for pain and daytime use. Red Borneo for night time use. Taste is horrible but you get used to it. The FDA is mounting a scare campaign against it and has promised to seize any shipments it learns of.

It is hard to say how long it will remain a legal option. I might just load up again with a large order. Someone who does Kratom reviews has turned me on to a supplier at $55 per Kilo. This is less than half of what I am paying and I thought I was getting it cheap. I have seen cheaper at tradekey but hard to say if they are reliable or not.

I know someone who says he has been using daily for 7 years without saying anything bad about it other than he realizes he is likely dependent after all this time.

I was proud when I skipped a day on it, but then I found out withdrawal doesn't kick in until day 2. I doubt it is even close to an opiate withdrawal, but still something to be respected.

All serious problems I have heard always involve some other drug combined with it. I don't even drink so I am not concerned with this. All the people in the know warn to stay away from the concentrates. I would agree. They are usually called extracts and have a multiplier attached as a selling point (ie 25X Kratom Extract)

From what I have gathered, you should be able to do 2 days per week without issue.

Been using Agmatine Sulfate to keep my doses working without having to climb. Its effective but similar to Arganine. I am hoping taking Lysine will counter its ability to feed any viruses. So far this seems to be working.

It would be nice not to be dependent on anything but I am not going to beat myself up over it since I crossed over from oxycontin dependent. I will get there one day, all in good time.

10LymeB said...
Just tried kratom for the first time and picked up my laundry basket without even blinking. That's actually amazing. I will try not to take it every day, if I can help it. CBD does help too. I've tried weed, but I don't like feeling dazed, lethargic, or tired.