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Posted 3/22/2018 11:29 AM (GMT -5)
Hi everyone,

I have been having a horrible time for 3 months now. I had started houttunyia and what I just realized yesterday, was that I also started a new type of cat's claw for me - Rainforest Uncarine Max, two days prior to starting houttunyia. I know the houttunyia stirred up a lot of this, but

I have been off houttunyia for one month and my symptoms remain:

1. Waking up at 3-4am every night even with 3mg lunesta
2. Unable to nap
3. Serious restlessness/anxiety/worry
4. Waking up with light night sweats or skin pain on the part of my body touching the bed

edit to add:
5. eye floaters
6. frequent urination
7. muscle twitches, mainly in legs

I am doing burber/pinella, sasparilla, epsom bath, lemon water

I did some web searches and I did find a few examples of lymies reporting insomnia, sometimes pretty bad, with various forms of cat's claw or samento.

Unfortunately, I had been on the Uncarine for 3 months and have now only been off for two days and still feel horrible.

I am hoping that some of the old timers on here may know if this could be from the Uncarine. If it's from the infections I am really, really worried because I don't know when this will end.

Thank you so much for your help

doors12

Post Edited (doors12) : 3/22/2018 10:36:46 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/22/2018 11:37 AM (GMT -5)
A lot of us have had the early 3 - 4 am awakenings and not be able to fall back asleep. It will pass with treatment.

Lyme and/or Bart has a way with messing with your adrenals is what most folks have reported.
Posted 3/22/2018 11:53 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks tick,

that is my biggest fear because the awakenings happen even with serious sleep pharma meds and I can't nap during the day, also my anxiety has been at a 10 for quite some time. I would not be able to continue to treat in this condition

I had asked my lyme doc about the cortisol test and he said we can talk at the next appointment so he didn't seem overly concerned about it
Posted 3/22/2018 3:41 PM (GMT -5)
yes you can herx very badly from cat's claw alone, especially if u take a larger dose.

it's pretty simple, herxes will make you feel better in time. if after 6 months you do not feel better but worse, progressively worse, then especially if u stop treatment for a few weeks and u continue to feel worse, my hint is you are not herxing but actually your disease is progressing and the pills you take do nothing. in such case i advise you discuss with your doctor a change in treatment.

6 months is a good time to wait and expect some improvement, even a little. For any kind of treatment.
Posted 3/22/2018 3:45 PM (GMT -5)
This is purely a thought - if you subscribe to TCM their body clock would suggest that your Liver is overtaxed (which is probably true for many Lyme sufferers)

https://www.organicolivia.com/2014/10/tcm-body-clock-why-do-we-wake-up-or-feel-ill-at-a-certain-time-of-day/
Posted 3/22/2018 10:35 PM (GMT -5)
Those symptoms you mentioned are all common bartonella symptoms. If you're worried about the cat's claw, just take a break from it. Houttuynia will address bart. So will sida acuta. So will Japanese knotweed.

Try restarting the houtty at a much reduced dosage. Don't pick up where you left off a month ago. Start with maybe 1/4 of what you were taking and slowly work up. Add additional herbs like sida acuta and isatis and alchornea. There are many other herbs in the bartonella protocol - EGCG with quercetin, cordyceps, Japanese knotweed (essential IMO), ashwaganda, rhodiola, Hawthorne, milk thistle, and more.

You may find restarting houtty at a reduced dosage may help those symptoms.
Posted 3/22/2018 10:48 PM (GMT -5)
Clove and oregano oils helped me get started on bart. Clove is part of the A-Bart formula. You can apply essential clove oil to your soles, you might have to start with one drop diluted in a carrier like coconut oil. I use gloves to avoid sensitizing other areas of my body. Oregano oil capsules are easy to find.
Posted 3/23/2018 8:32 AM (GMT -5)
I'd try and take a short break, see if you can recover a baseline, and then restart the medicines but at lower doses like WalkinbyFaith mentioned. For me, if I've been herxing hard it can take quite a few days/week to recover the baseline. Best to try and avoid burning oneself out with herxing, especially if it is constant!

Btw I def got most of those symptoms especially when I was herxing badly!
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