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Posted 6/15/2018 8:35 AM (GMT -5)
I think i am herxing real strong on artemesia. Is it ok to pause for a few days the artemesia Annua and started again? Will it still be effective?
Posted 6/15/2018 8:59 AM (GMT -5)
You should back down or stop until your herxing subsides. When You restart,Start At A Much Lower Dose and slowly Build up.
It's not good to have strong prolonged herxing.
make sure to up your detoxing and use binders.

I also had strong herxing from this.
take care.
Posted 6/15/2018 10:05 AM (GMT -5)
Thank you goshawk. How much where you taking just curious. I am taking the whole herb artemesia Annua by the way.
Posted 6/15/2018 10:12 AM (GMT -5)
I do agree with goshawk - titrate up slowly. In general antiparasitics are supposed to be taken for 4 months I believe (life cycle of red blood cell). You really wouldn't want to go off of them too much - some resistance has been shown and you are more likely to get resistance the more times you goes off. I don't personally think that is a huge concern with this herb and how you are feeling is more important. I can't tell you how many times I went on/off with some herbs just to see if they were actually working. Some were, some weren't. I kept a journal and it helped quite a bit.

You could also add a RBC protector if you are not using one which even if it does not 'kill' the parasites it will protect new RBCs generated from being infected while you are not using artemisia.

~beth
Posted 6/15/2018 12:42 PM (GMT -5)
What about people who pulse? Arent they suppose to build up resistance? I started also to have pain on my left chest muscles as i move them. Dont know when this started or if it was due to malarone, azithromycin or artemesia Annua.
Posted 6/15/2018 12:56 PM (GMT -5)
I think it depends on what you are pulsing, many pulse cystbusters -I used Flagyl for that. That is targeting Borrelia vs. artemisia which targets Babesia. Borrelia is not very susceptible to building drug resistance so not concern for that guy. Artemisia is used for malaria (also parasite) also and has shown resistance. I think some do recommend pulsing but from what I recall you want to be on anti parasitics for the course... mepron for example for x duration.

Any others want to chime in on here on what they are doing?
Posted 6/15/2018 2:15 PM (GMT -5)
I just started artemisinin. I feel okay, but I'm starting to get that kooky feeling again, especially when I'm driving. Maybe it's a babesia herx. I hope it will go away soon. I'm only taking 200mg twice a day.
Posted 6/15/2018 2:17 PM (GMT -5)
Artemesisin is different from the whole herb artemesia Annua. Its a derivative from the whole herb.
Posted 6/15/2018 2:48 PM (GMT -5)

Notime4lyme said...
I just started artemisinin. I feel okay, but I'm starting to get that kooky feeling again, especially when I'm driving. Maybe it's a babesia herx. I hope it will go away soon. I'm only taking 200mg twice a day.

What is your schedule for Artemisinin?
Posted 6/15/2018 7:40 PM (GMT -5)
isitlyme- I know arteminisin is different but it does seem to be having about the same effect on me as the artemesia annua. I figured I would try it to see if it was stronger.

Girlie -As for my dosing schedule, I don't know. My naturopath said they don't usually pulse, but I would like to, partly because it's kind of expensive. What is your dosing schedule?
Posted 6/15/2018 10:26 PM (GMT -5)

Notime4lyme said...
isitlyme- I know arteminisin is different but it does seem to be having about the same effect on me as the artemesia annua. I figured I would try it to see if it was stronger.

Girlie -As for my dosing schedule, I don't know. My naturopath said they don't usually pulse, but I would like to, partly because it's kind of expensive. What is your dosing schedule?

Artemisinin should only be taken on a pulsed schedule.
- This is to prevent the small intestine from developing an enzyme that renders it useless.

How long on continuous dosing does that take?
Well LLMD MR says 3 days and then you break for 10 days.

Other llmd’s day a week on is fine.

I’m pulsing all my meds - so I take it the same days as my abx MWF two weeks on and two weeks off.

I did several rounds of it in 2016 and that time I did 4 on and 10 off.

I started with low dosing and increased each day - after the break I would start with where I left off the previous round.
I think I got to 3 X 500 mg

Now I’m taking 800 mg x 2 on the days I take it.
Posted 6/17/2018 4:22 PM (GMT -5)
Whats the recommended for artemesia Annua extract? Taking 100mg a day now. But remember the strenght of my extract is 30:1
Posted 6/17/2018 6:48 PM (GMT -5)

isitlyme said...
What about people who pulse? Arent they suppose to build up resistance? I started also to have pain on my left chest muscles as i move them. Dont know when this started or if it was due to malarone, azithromycin or artemesia Annua.

Those of us who pulse ala Jemsek clinic - take 3 antibiotics ....or 2 antibiotics plus an anti-malarial at a time.
The combination is supposed to stop any resistance happening.
Posted 6/17/2018 6:52 PM (GMT -5)
I was asking about the dose of whole herb extract. What dose are ppl usually taking a day?
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