Tiny cherry angiomas?

Donjr said...
Everyone is wrong lol they really are petechiae, the capillaries bursting from Bart or babs, also from too much fibrin in your blood clogging the capillaries and they burst.

I was told Petechiae are from Babesia and are not raised but cherry angiomas you can feel.

I’ve had the Petechiae on the top of my feet and you couldn’t feel them at all.
I don’t have any cherry angiomas but my husband does and they are raised (on top of the skin)

Girlie said...
I was told Petechiae are from Babesia and are not raised but cherry angiomas you can feel.

I’ve had the Petechiae on the top of my feet and you couldn’t feel them at all.
I don’t have any cherry angiomas but my husband does and they are raised (on top of the skin)

Super hard for me to tell if these are raised or not since they’re basically the size of a grain of sand! But when I find a bigger one here or there I do think they look like they sit slightly on top of the skin. I wouldn’t say I can feel them though.

sebreg said...
ExhaustedGirl1, thanks for sharing all that info. I've had quite a few of those symptoms. Have you been treating for the infections? (sorry if you already mentioned this)

I wonder, especially with back of head headaches which wax wane, for me that has been one of my babesia symptoms. I've heard tinnitus can also be babesia. And bugs crawling sensation often seems to be tied to parasitic infections.

My back of head headaches always flare when I take anti-protozoals, before I could flare with just 1 drop of cryptolepis. But now it takes something stronger like malarone. If you haven't already might want to consider treating for babesia. There is a hypothesis by doctors like Dr J in DC that you need to treat babesia first, knock it down, that makes treating all the other infections easier. I'd be curious to hear if you herx to anti-protozoals. Like I mentioned, not everyone herxes, but if you did it would clarify that there was an underlying protozoal infection.

Given the multitude of symptoms it would make sense that multiple infections are at play. Often times doctors will treat for all 3 (babesia, bartonella, lyme) to hedge their bets, that way you cover widely and have a good chance of hitting occult infections.

Back of the head headaches are almost always due to vision abnormalities. Malaria and other apicomplexan protozoans are notorious for causing eye problems. Dengue may be the worst, but I imagine our North American protozoans may follow a similar etiology.

Not sure what they are, but I just noticed that I have tiny, reddish pink dots around my eyes, sort of going in a line a half inch below my eyelids. They don't itch, and they look a lot like very tiny versions of cherry angiomas or something. There's one actually in the white part of my right eye. This has just happened lately.

I don't think they are freckles because they are pinkish, and I always wear sunglasses and a visor when I go out in the sun. I did get kind of sunburned at the beach a while ago.

I do get headaches more towards the front of my head sometimes, but I don't have eye pain or vision abnormalities, except for needing really thick glasses.

Does anyone have any idea what these could be? I don't know if I should start this in a new thread.

sebreg said...
Ah interesting, would make sense in my case. I do also get vision blurriness along with those back of head headaches. Lately as I've been trying to treat with malarone those symptoms have gotten very intense, along with suffocating air hunger. I didn't think I could respond to meds to that level anymore given how much my baseline has improved. I'm beginning to wonder if babesia/babs like organism is the thing that's really holding me back from further recovery. I made a lot of progress on lyme/bart treatments but had to convince my doctor to circle back and try treating for babesia because I still had unresolved symptoms (the worst of which are chronic headaches).

But I'm having a heck of a time tolerating this current protocol. The herxing is just nuclear, I may have to talk to my dr to see if we can explore pulse strategies or lower dosages...

Georgia, if you don't mind my asking, how did you treat your protozoal infections? I know you used a lot of diet strategies but was wondering if you found certain antimicrobials more helpful than others?

I used atovaquone for 4 months, cyrptolepis and artemisinin for months, Zithromax for months, Biaxin for a month, and Levaquin for a month. Atovaquone killed it but it came back, crypto and artemisinin nuked it but it came back, Zithromax kept it at bay, and Levaquin did nothing. I used Nigella sativa pulsed for some time and it nukes something. Three weeks of 12mg b.i.d. Ivermectin caused no herx, but it did alter a cutaneous lesion for the better.

Every time I tried something, the pathogen/pathgoens came back. I realized after all of this firepower, if it was still there, I'd need to go another route. I began looking into the "other" pathogens that may be the problem. What I found was my system was the problem. Regular, normal bacteria were pathogens. The environment of my GI tract had to be changed so that this would change. If the tight junctions in my GI tract were damaged, I'd have to fix them somehow. Diet helped, but it's a GI pH issue. The tight junctions are altered so that instead of just nutrients being absorbed into the blood, my GI bacteria were absorbed into the blood. I feel this is sometimes done on purpose but that is another post for another time. The immune system essentially goes to war at this point. If bacteria are allowed to survive in our blood, sepsis occurs, our blood becomes acidic and we die. Rather than hit the details, I'll just say the body is remarkable in it's ability to save itself. It prioritizes problems so we can survive.

So what do I have? Is it a virulent form of babesia? Is it what has been called FL1953? My current thoughts are it is a form of cutaneous Leishmaniasis or similar apicomplexan protozoa. It's a proficient biofilm producer and it did respond to Ivermectin, so it does have some parasitic worm DNA in it. Without increased lipid intake, my oxidative stress levels increase tremendously. These lipids block the glucose transport into the cells and cause the bursts of insulin that cause cherry angiomas. I basically have the beginnings of dyslipidemia and non-alcoholic steatohepatitis.

If I supplement with copper or manganese, I really struggle from the die off. I have basically punted on this pathogen. I can't seem to beat it, so I reduced the pathogenic Bacteriodetes and other harmful bacteria in my GI tract while increasing Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium as much as I could. I have to eat Vegan to do this, so I'm no longer a hunter. This is the only way to get enough antibacterial substances in my body to function normally.

Dr Horowitz's cocktail with Dapsone seems to not only reduce this pathogen but also many of the gram negative rods that cause most of our GI issues. I am doing OK so I haven't tried the Dapsone approach, but it does crossover and hit parasites similar to how Alinia does.

So with Lyme, Borrelia can start the negative cascade of events but it isn't the main player after awhile. It just sits back and lets our immune system fight everything else. Babesia or a protozoan added to the mix greatly increases oxidative stress and the immune response is down regulated to protect cellular biological processes. If you have a protozoan and don't get rid of it, you will be fighting for a long time. Bartonella added to the list increases oxidative stress but isn't the problem. We can live with bartonella and have no issues. I currently believe that other pathogens should be treated first and bartonella may not need treating at all. You can't hardly treat anything if all of your immune system is fighting off bacterial entry into the portal vein. Fix the tight junctions, fix the bacterial assortment, and fix the bacterial ratios. Sounds easy, right? Since none of us are the same, the only way is to do it is to do as Horowitz is doing which is nuking everything and starting over. I went the slow road and have regained much of my function. I still have RBC oxidative issues, but I'm better. I started weight training again since my 50th birthday is coming up and have handled it well. I'm still studying a variety of topics but I feel I've found most of what I was looking for. I hope this helped.

Post Edited (Georgia Hunter) : 8/25/2018 9:19:23 PM (GMT-6)

Thanks for such a comprehensive response! I really appreciate it. In my case I found dapsone to be helpful, and I do think it was hitting my underlying protozoal infection. Which I'm honestly suspecting might be the lynchpin for my situation. While it did significantly reduce pathogen load it didn't get me to remission. These are very tenacious organisms (as we all know!).

Interesting to hear you tried levaquin. I had an intolerable herx response to just 1/8th of a dose... that was just another indicator for me that bartonella is also in the mix. But I suspect at this point it is less of a factor than the protozoal infection.

So have you taken alinia before? I've found that to be a good drug for me. Ivermectin gave me terrible herxes. It's amazing how much variance there is with the spectrum of infections.

I'm glad to hear you've recovered so much of your health. These can be long processes, not just one way to do it. Do you feel you are pretty much done trying to nuke things? I spent this last year in a holding pattern with treatment and was able to be pretty active. But I still had these constant headaches, which while much better than before, still dog me. So I pushed my doc for continued therapy, with a focus on babesia. Initially he was skeptical but given my responses to malarone at this time it is quite convincing. Plus, my doc understands this concept as he has written that some cases that have received a lot of treatment and still have refractory symptoms often have an underlying babesia/babs like organism infection. And they generally significantly improve if that is tackled.

I have heard that for babesia and some of these other babs like organisms it can take a very significant amount of treatment to get them under control. I haven't found many effective tools beyond antimicrobials for improving my health situation which is why I keep pursuing this angle. Diet, lifestyle for me are all helpful, but the most important has been effective antimicrobial therapeutics.

sebreg said...
Thanks for such a comprehensive response! I really appreciate it. In my case I found dapsone to be helpful, and I do think it was hitting my underlying protozoal infection. Which I'm honestly suspecting might be the lynchpin for my situation. While it did significantly reduce pathogen load it didn't get me to remission. These are very tenacious organisms (as we all know!).

Interesting to hear you tried levaquin. I had an intolerable herx response to just 1/8th of a dose... that was just another indicator for me that bartonella is also in the mix. But I suspect at this point it is less of a factor than the protozoal infection.

So have you taken alinia before? I've found that to be a good drug for me. Ivermectin gave me terrible herxes. It's amazing how much variance there is with the spectrum of infections.

I'm glad to hear you've recovered so much of your health. These can be long processes, not just one way to do it. Do you feel you are pretty much done trying to nuke things? I spent this last year in a holding pattern with treatment and was able to be pretty active. But I still had these constant headaches, which while much better than before, still dog me. So I pushed my doc for continued therapy, with a focus on babesia. Initially he was skeptical but given my responses to malarone at this time it is quite convincing. Plus, my doc understands this concept as he has written that some cases that have received a lot of treatment and still have refractory symptoms often have an underlying babesia/babs like organism infection. And they generally significantly improve if that is tackled.

I have heard that for babesia and some of these other babs like organisms it can take a very significant amount of treatment to get them under control. I haven't found many effective tools beyond antimicrobials for improving my health situation which is why I keep pursuing this angle. Diet, lifestyle for me are all helpful, but the most important has been effective antimicrobial therapeutics.

I've never tried Alinia. For some people, diet is enough to get them back on the right path. For others, they must reduce their pathogenic load before they will improve. Just use enterococcus as an example. It is considered normal flora in everyone, but if another Firmicute decreases its growth, that allows enterococcus to thrive beyond what is considered "normal." It then becomes a problem. Other bacteria are the same way, it's just that they don't competed with Lactobacillus like enterococcus does.

Levaquin kills a lot of gram negative bacteria, so herxing from it doesn't necessarily mean you have bartonella.

Every time I've thought my Babesia has returned due to headaches and hot flash/sweating symptoms, the EDS scan shows it's a Mycoplasma flare.....I've had both and they feel the same to me.

GH- Buchner says the same thing in his book. I definitely have a compromise gut. Recently had to take antibiotics internally for sinus infection. Also interesting is that the Buchner protocol for Babesia is what makes mycoplasma my flare, at least for me. But Buhner says to take it anyway. I really can’t handle it!

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/uncategorized/okay-to-supplement-l-arginine-with-mycoplasma/

FYI, the antibiotics worked, then didn’t work ( slowly came back). As an experiment, I put 7 drops of crypsolepsis in nasal wash and infection was gone the next day..

sierraDon said...
Georgia Hunter, just curious about the diet modifications you followed. did you go hardcore raw vegan? you eliminate gluten, sugars, etc.

for the past 8 months while treating and supplementing, i have followed a healthy diet...i always questioned how much this had to do with my improvement since its hard while taking so many different things.

i have eaten healthy prior to getting sick with tickborn illness, i ate largely organic foods for nearly 10 years. then when i was diagnosed, i restricted my diet further to eliminate added sugars. then move to low/no gluten and low/no diary, then to eliminate red meat - pork, beef, lamb. I still eat carbs like potatos, rice, corn tortillas for example, otherwise i wouldnt gain any weight back at all.

with the diet modications how did you conclude that the diet was indeed making the improvements you saw versus something else triggering the improvement.

thanks

I had Lyme at first, and then 3 years later, I got an infection diagnosed as babesia. When determining what my health status was, I looked at each problem and evaluated whether it was better, worse, or unchanged. Some were easy to figure out, like arthritis/bursitis in my right shoulder, headaches, and insomnia. Some waxed and waned like depression, occasional suicidal thoughts, and decreased libido. I looked at energy levels, oxygen carrying capacity, and to some extent, urine output. The inflammation on my ring finger is a great reminder of my inflammation level. If I eat bad, my ring won't come off. If I eat like I'm supposed to, it comes off easily.

Other than atovaquone, I wouldn't say one thing stood out as being a definitive factor in getting better. I think they all helped. As for eating, I have been hard core. I juiced exclusively for a month, ate vegan exclusively for a month (lost 16 lbs), ate organ meat twice a week for a year, ate a modified vegetarian diet with occasional animal protein, gluten free, and even high fat. I eat Vegan now.

Few of us eat healthy now a days because of our tainted food supply. Whether it be glyphosate in oats, dioxins in fish, or furans in coffee, we aren't eating as good as we think. That includes me and I can get pretty hard core at times.

Eating Vegan is beneficial for multiple reasons.
#1. It increases your alkalinity. We are one big series of chemical reactions and if your pH isn't where it needs to be, your reactions won't happen like they're supposed to. Educated people may refute this but if they studied the molecular interaction of the chemicals at the villi and tight junctions in our GI tract, they may change their mind.
#2. It increases the beneficial bacteria for a better immune response and decreases pathogenic bacteria. Just study nitrogen fixing gram negative anaerobes and gram positive bacteria that produce epoxomicin, lactacystin, bacterocin, steptomycin, and streptocins.
#3. Animal protein contains about 3 times higher levels of heavy metals than plants. Many Lyme patients have candida and other pathogens that hold metals and increase our toxic load, (and herxes).
#4. Animal protein contains alpha gal and Neu5GC. These drain our immune response, especially IgG. IgG and IgM which are two of the main immunoglobulins in Lyme patients.
#5. Lyme Disease depletes nutrient levels through decreased nutrient absorption and nutrient wasting. Plants have considerably more nutrients per gram than animal protein and have the nutrients that are being lost.
6. Plants have lower calories per gram than animal protein. While necessary, eating creates multiple challenges chemically for Lyme patients and the less we can eat (and obtain sufficient nutrients) the better.
I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, these are just off the top of my head.