What are some immune boosters for Babesia

Figured i may try them out so at least I'm doing something

L-arginine and EGCG supposed to be helpful. But L-arginine is contraindicated if you have active herpes viruses. The EGCG I think works against one of the stages of babesia.

"L-arginine increases the levels of nitric oxide in the blood vessels which helps to correct the depletion caused by Babs/Bart and make the blood vessels inhospitable to these organisms.

Buhner cautions against taking it in cases of active herpes or shingles. Some people have had their EBV reactivate as a result of taking l-arginine."

I take both and haven't had issues. I don't think they are hurting, how much they help I can't tell. But maybe they help keep replication in check to some degree?

ah, bummer. I figured you might have already looked into those things...

Buhner mentions in his bart book that his favorite immune herbs are the adaptogens. (They raise or lower the immune function as needed)

Eleutherococcus, Astragalus, Rhodiola, Ashwaganda, and Schisandra.

I took really high dose cryptolepis and artimsinin together, had a tiny bit of die off in the beginning then nothing

sandyfeet said...
Are there any herbs that you have responded well to? That might give you a clue for other herbs (or supplements?) as well or for something else you need to uncover first. I didn’t suspect babesia (in fact I was sure I didn’t have it) until I mistakenly bought crypto instead of sida (lyme brain!) and had a strong reaction to it.

I know you’ve pretty much covered all the bases before though, just thinking out loud.

I responded strongly to houttinoya which gave me good die off for a couple weeks. I was psyched about it but once the die off wore off nothing changed. Then tried cryptolepis cuz i suspected babesia and had a much more mild die off for a few days then, as usual, nothing happened. I was taking obscene doses of sida acuta, knotweed, houttinoya, cryptolepis, isatis, alchornea, artimsinin, red root, mushrooms, hawthorn, skullcap for over 8 months and nothing changed. Had a few weeks of die off when taking double dose of rifampin but it was mild and nothing changed again.

Girlie said...

sandyfeet said...
How were you with crypto Aerose? I'm running out of ideas for babesia myself but I have found that cycling in very high doses of crypto seems to knock things back for me - it might be enough if I stick with it for 5 months - I don't know.

I'm going by what Buhner says in his antibiotic book (I think, I don't have it here right now), which suggests the possibility of taking a much higher dose for 5 days. I'm taking a break from it for the moment but I found good success with doing 1tsp 3x a day for 5 days and then dropping back down to 1/2 tsp for 3x a day for 1-2 weeks.

I noticed that Horowitz says crypto helps but that his patients always relapse on it. :I

I take 40 drops twice daily of Crypto. (I guess that's about 4/5 of a tsp daily?)

Have you tried taking high doses of Sida Acuta with the Crypto and Bidens Pilosa?
(I'm thinking you have)


Also, a former Lyme Mod who was seeing one of Buhner's recommended herbalists told her to increase her dosing to 4X daily if she could. This was to try and have a steady state of the herbs in her blood stream.

Oh yah, i was doing 4x daily for everything. Honestly, i wanted so badly to feel some change from something i was taking doses so high that i was stumbling around drunk from the alchohol tinctures- and that's after i would let it sit to dissipate. I stopped measuring doses after a while

Lomatium is a very potent herb that is anti-viral. It also has some anti-bacterial properties. Some people will develop a rash from it though and it can be severe like getting the measles.

Enula is used for Babesia. I've never tried it but my new Lyme specialist that trained and worked under Dr.H and now trains under Dr. J uses it along with antibiotics and anti-malarials to treat her patients for Babs.

I heard that it's supposed to be good for brucella. It's probably good for other things though. Unfortunately, I just found out that Herb Pharm is out of stock when I went to order mine. You could probably get it through another company. I heard that lomatium is a very rare plant.

If it's strong, ill try it

ToddPaul said...
You can get lomatium from Barlow. It's called ldm-100. Just don't blame me if you get the rash because you will be in hell for about 5 days or so. They say 15-20% chance but I think it's more. Good luck.

Ah...the rash. I forgot that can happen. My LLND prescribed one of BW tinctures (or was it Beyond Balance?) and it had lomatium in it...my LLND told me that might happen.


I never ended up taking it.

ToddPaul said...
Lomatium is a very potent herb that is anti-viral. It also has some anti-bacterial properties. Some people will develop a rash from it though and it can be severe like getting the measles.

Enula is used for Babesia. I've never tried it but my new Lyme specialist that trained and worked under Dr.H and now trains under Dr. J uses it along with antibiotics and anti-malarials to treat her patients for Babs.

Yup -,Dr J has had Enula in his protocol for at least a few years now.

For me - it does t seem to do anything - like I’m taking water.

ToddPaul said...
I hear you Girlie. When I was doing the Synergy protocol which had about 15 different tinctures I barely had any herxing at all so I'm not so big on herbal tinctures in general. Monolaurin and ADP oregano tabs on the other hand hit me very hard. Have you ever tried those?

No, i haven't (either).

I was taking in a lot of coconut oil for awhile...but I guess the monlaurin in it still doesn't equal what you'd be taking as an isolated supplement.

Also, no to the oregano tablets.


At this point, I'm not looking for anything to hit me hard...thanks...lol. I'm being wickedly hit with the Dapsone, Daraprim, Rifabutin....and the Clindamycin. (All new meds to me...started pretty much at the same time)....and up for a breath...and now I'm going to be doing 5 days of Alinia.