Wont know what to do if buhner protocol fails.

Sorry if this is negative everyone. Im about to start the burner bartonella protocol. The only thing is, there is little evidence pointing to that it works. Most people on those forum seem to have not found help from it besides one. Ideally, I would love to see an llmd or llnd but I have very little money and no car. Im 20 years old, have a fairly steady job and apartment, but no car and very little support from family. Worse comes to worse, I would honestly buy the abxs commonly used to treat bart from an online supplier.

Hey bluelyme thanks for the response and the uplift. So, is bvt reported to be effective against bartonella?

LJohn23 said...
Sorry if this is negative everyone. Im about to start the burner bartonella protocol. The only thing is, there is little evidence pointing to that it works. Most people on those forum seem to have not found help from it besides one. Ideally, I would love to see an llmd or llnd but I have very little money and no car. Im 20 years old, have a fairly steady job and apartment, but no car and very little support from family. Worse comes to worse, I would honestly buy the abxs commonly used to treat bart from an online supplier.

If you don’t have transportation - you can do phone consults with Buhner recommended herbalists.

Re: online abx - at one point I bought from AllDayChemist.

Girlie said...

bluelyme said...
buhner is a great intro to herbs ..and good for symptom managment but if and when it fails,when u want results go straight to andrographis and houttynia with allicin...if thats too rich then bvt come out to $15 a week and is super effective per documention and in my experience . abx rarely result in remission either but you can always do ooo , silver and find a rife ...if there a will ....

Houttuynia is part of Buhners bart protocol
- and I think Andrographis is in his lyme protocol.

He pulled andro from initial book because of skin issues and "claim"s houttynia is optional after cyto remod and other steps
His approach is unique but he doesnt address biofilms nor explore many of the other herbs out there...i was talking about the herbs he uses for circulation and nerve health wont ever kill lyme or bart ...

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 10/12/2018 11:50:21 AM (GMT-6)

Other natural supplements like monolaurin, allicin, etc., are definitely worth a try. Buner's herbs are a really good starting point, but sometimes I think they are not strong enough for some people.

LJohn23 said...
Im about to start the burner bartonella protocol. The only thing is, there is little evidence pointing to that it works.

Ljohn23,

I understand feeling that way. When finding out we have Lyme and/or coinfections, we all want to pick the "right" treatment protocol - the one with the best chances of working that will get us well as quickly as possible with the least chance of negative side effects.

I don't believe there is much more evidence of ANY protocol being overwhelmingly effective for all people at all times for bartonella or any of the other infections.

I agree that Buhner's protocols are a great place to start, especially if you incorporate all or most of the protocol and do it for long enough. Whatever method you treat with, you will likely need a minimum of a year. Many people make the mistake of stopping short because they feel better and just want to be done already.

Bluelyme gave a good response, IMO. I started Buhner's protocol in June 2017. Ironically, the most effective things I've done are antifungal and antiparasitic herbs. Those expelled some junk out of my gut that was contributing to my symptoms.

If you've been infected and untreated a long time like I have, you tend to have a lot more layers to dig through and it's not all borellia, bartonella, or babesia. It's a host of things and a lot of whole body inflammation and dysfunction.

Newly infected people, especially those who had a known tick bite and know exactly when they were infected, probably won't have as much complexity to work through.

I encourage you to fully embrace the Buhner protocol, if that's what you've chosen, and give it 100% of your effort. Buhner is a genius and is revered by many for good reason. If his protocol is not enough to get you to 100%, it's not because the protocol is wrong or useless. It's because you need some adjustments and changes to make it work for you. Like someone else mentioned, consulting with a Buhner herbalist could be helpful at that point, but you don't need that to get started.

Plant medicine is powerful. It's a matter of tweeking things to find the best herbs, combinations, and doses that will work the best for you.

We're rooting for you!!! You can do this. If I can, anybody can.