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Posted 10/21/2018 5:24 PM (GMT -5)
Has anyone tried the Chronic Fatigue formula listed in the Buhner Healing Lyme book?!
Posted 10/21/2018 8:52 PM (GMT -5)
I used eulethro and ginsing for a bit .graduated to bee pollen and Mormon tea . Vit b12 sq shots ,iv vit c and Once my adrenals and iron levels came back ,then bvt and alinia got my viral load down. I am back to life with energy
Posted 10/22/2018 10:53 AM (GMT -5)
Cytomel, methylated B vitamins, and 400 mg of CoQ10 eliminates 75% of my usual fatigue.
Posted 10/22/2018 10:56 AM (GMT -5)

acarined said...
Cytomel, methylated B vitamins, and 400 mg of CoQ10 eliminates 75% of my usual fatigue.

Cytomel - that’s a Pharma thyroid med?

Definitely need to support thyroid if our tests show a deficiency.
Posted 10/22/2018 11:42 AM (GMT -5)
rustypliers, wow I wonder if decalifying my body was a factor in reducing my fatigue which is basically gone. I have calcium in my well water and about 3-4 months ago switched to RO filters. On top of that, I have been taking Lugol's 2% iodine, selenium, and 2mg zinc. Recently went on Sprulina and continued my higher fiber / probiotics protocol. I am also on a super high magnesium environment: shower, pills, food. It was hard for me to just google right now "how to decalify your body" because of all the spam links on google, but these things were listed on a few links I thought were insightful. If this is the reason my fatigue is gone, then this is great news.

I have gone from sitting around all day sleeping and 2-4 hours activity, to waking up 7am without an alarm and being able to stay up until 4am if I get busy. Actually funny the other day I was staying up late and I got tired and thought "Oh no, my fatigue is back... wait a minute I got 4 hours of sleep yesterday and I've been up for 22hr, lol, I'm just tired"

when my fatigue was the worse, Modafinil cleared it up. It lasts 24-48 hours, but it has a re-visual effect of up to two weeks. it is a prescription drug given to narcoleptic people to stay awake. For me it has _really bad side effects_ (back pain), but I discovered if I did a heavy duty detox (NAC, Gluthathione, massive Spirulina, Fiber/Probiotics) and pre-de-loaded the toxins and continued the detox protocol, I had no back pain from Modafinil (but it is still bad). I only took it when I absolutely had to (drive 350 miles to see my LLND). Because of the side effects I would not recommend it unless you tried every thing else.

unfortuantely I did not know or try the Buhner Healing Lyme book fatigue protocol.

good luck let me know what you tried.

Thanks rustypliers for your info
Posted 10/22/2018 3:33 PM (GMT -5)
Rustypliers,

I have some DMSO. I bought it and never used it when I bought ALA. (I bought 250mg of ALA and it made me sick, so I re-ordered 20mg of ALA and will start that and see if i can work up to 250mg with detox)

But the DMSO -- when I got it, it said "For solvent purposes only" so I put it on the shelf without using it. This was about a month ago.

Because of the AMAZING turn of events regarding my fatigue, and going over the information you just posted (thanks) I saw your link to MSO and realized I had DMSO

How do I take this DMSO? What should I be trying to do?
Posted 10/22/2018 3:35 PM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

Cytomel - that’s a Pharma thyroid med?

Definitely need to support thyroid if our tests show a deficiency.


Yes, Cytomel is liothyronine, synthetic T3. My FT3 was testing in the lower 3rd of the range, about 10 mcg of Cytomel resolved a lot of the muscle pain and fatigue I was having, it also increased my immune response against the bugs. After about two months I developed some cognitive impairment and heart palps, both the brain and heart are more sensitive to levels of T3, so 25 mcg of Synthroid was added to resolve that side effect. I'd warn anyone to start at a very low dose and increase over weeks, there is a detox reaction when the body's metabolism revs back up.
Posted 10/22/2018 6:08 PM (GMT -5)

oregonhay said...
Rustypliers,

I have some DMSO. I bought it and never used it when I bought ALA. (I bought 250mg of ALA and it made me sick, so I re-ordered 20mg of ALA and will start that and see if i can work up to 250mg with detox)

But the DMSO -- when I got it, it said "For solvent purposes only" so I put it on the shelf without using it. This was about a month ago.

Because of the AMAZING turn of events regarding my fatigue, and going over the information you just posted (thanks) I saw your link to MSO and realized I had DMSO

How do I take this DMSO? What should I be trying to do?


Your reaction to ALA indicates you have high probability of being heavy metal toxic. Usually mercury. You may want to read up on Andy Cutlers Protocol. Odds have it you’ll get a strong reaction to 25 mg. Head swimming, spacy , buzzing, anxiety??
Posted 10/22/2018 6:37 PM (GMT -5)
Mark,
My ears are ringing and I wake up with a hangover every other day. The hangover goes away if I move around.

I just took some DMSO because I don't have MSM, and I got fatigue. Took a half dozen spirulina tablets then a nap and feel a lot better.

How do I get rid of the mercury? Probably arsenic as well because that's what is in our well water in our area. I use RO filters for drinking water but that doesn't do the shower. I could be taking an arsenic shower. Could it be the bugs dying off and releasing heavy metals?
Posted 10/22/2018 6:55 PM (GMT -5)

oregonhay said...
Mark,
My ears are ringing and I wake up with a hangover every other day. The hangover goes away if I move around.

I just took some DMSO because I don't have MSM, and I got fatigue. Took a half dozen spirulina tablets then a nap and feel a lot better.

How do I get rid of the mercury? Probably arsenic as well because that's what is in our well water in our area. I use RO filters for drinking water but that doesn't do the shower. I could be taking an arsenic shower. Could it be the bugs dying off and releasing heavy metals?

So you have a reaction to ALA.. Same with DMSO. The latter also moves mercury but is a poor chelator (binder). How do you do with vitamin D supplements?
Posted 10/22/2018 8:00 PM (GMT -5)
Vitamin D makes me really sick
Posted 10/22/2018 8:33 PM (GMT -5)

oregonhay said...
Vitamin D makes me really sick

Bingo!!! Good news is you most likely found your root issue. So If your ready to take a sharp turn it may well worth your time.

If so here’s what you do. I assume you use Facebook. Search for the “Andy Cutler Chelation” group. Reqest to be a member due to a recommended based on your reaction to 250 mg of ala and you want to learn about the ACC protocol.

So your first post is that you you are a newbie and had a reaction to ala, also with DMSO, and Vit D makes you sick. No need to list your symptoms. You’ll be addressing these if you go down this path.

The first thing you notice is you’ll have a dozen people tell you basically the same thing, That right there should tell you something. All will but also wait for a Admin to chime in. They then will remind you to read up,, but it’s good to get some feedback to help motivate you to invest the time.

My email is in my profile. Drop me a PM I’ll give you some tips on how this group operates. Also a little daunting at first. Also I’ll share my Facebook name on the pm.
Posted 10/22/2018 9:18 PM (GMT -5)

oregonhay said...
Rustypliers,

I have some DMSO. I bought it and never used it when I bought ALA. (I bought 250mg of ALA and it made me sick, so I re-ordered 20mg of ALA and will start that and see if i can work up to 250mg with detox)

But the DMSO -- when I got it, it said "For solvent purposes only" so I put it on the shelf without using it. This was about a month ago.

Because of the AMAZING turn of events regarding my fatigue, and going over the information you just posted (thanks) I saw your link to MSO and realized I had DMSO

How do I take this DMSO? What should I be trying to do?

We have some threads with good info on dmso. I believe forum member Lapis has posted a lot about using it.

My husband uses DMSO

There is one particular brand that Lapis recommends. My husband uses the brand with the tree on the label.
Posted 10/22/2018 9:24 PM (GMT -5)
Here’s one thread on dmso

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3914807&p=2
Posted 10/22/2018 11:32 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Girlie and thanks Mark. And sorry Angle07 for hi-jacking your thread. So I think I got the fatigue issue away for Lyme, but I have heavy metals. So if anything ANgle07 hopefully you can gain from this, it can be multiple things.

I joined facebook and went to the group. Basically I cannot do anything ALA/DMSO/Cutler's protocol until I get my amalgam removed. THIS explains why I see people posting here "got my amalgam removed" now i understand why. I guess it is the next "stage" for me to go to.

Facebook is so horrible, but this group was resourceful. They even have a thread about when the powers that be "disappear" their group for no reason. There's a "backup" file everyone downloads with instructions to re-group. What a horrible platform. Created some phoney balony account. I might have to put orange man is bad and upload cat pictures
Posted 10/22/2018 11:53 PM (GMT -5)
Ive used DMSO topically to help drive in other topicals for muscle soreness.

I cant imagine ingesting it, and someone here said ingesting 8oz a day? (did I read that correctly?)

Yes its somewhat natural, but a natural tree turpine chemical.

Gasoline is a derivative from natural oil, I ingested some by accident once, poison control hotline told me not to smoke, apparently people have.

Anyway, I always though everyone with lyme has "chronic fatigue" as its one of the the main symptom. Checking thyroid levels is the very first thing one should do with extreme fatigue, lyme or no lyme - cant guess, its some lab testing.
Posted 10/23/2018 2:20 AM (GMT -5)

astroman said...


Anyway, I always though everyone with lyme has "chronic fatigue" as its one of the the main symptom. Checking thyroid levels is the very first thing one should do with extreme fatigue, lyme or no lyme - cant guess, its some lab testing.

Nope not everyone. I don’t have fatigue.
we’re all unique in our symptom “package”
Posted 10/23/2018 6:53 AM (GMT -5)

oregonhay said...
Thanks Girlie and thanks Mark. And sorry Angle07 for hi-jacking your thread. So I think I got the fatigue issue away for Lyme, but I have heavy metals. So if anything ANgle07 hopefully you can gain from this, it can be multiple things.

I joined facebook and went to the group. Basically I cannot do anything ALA/DMSO/Cutler's protocol until I get my amalgam removed. THIS explains why I see people posting here "got my amalgam removed" now i understand why. I guess it is the next "stage" for me to go to.

Facebook is so horrible, but this group was resourceful. They even have a thread about when the powers that be "disappear" their group for no reason. There's a "backup" file everyone downloads with instructions to re-group. What a horrible platform. Created some phoney balony account. I might have to put orange man is bad and upload cat pictures

Heading off to work and don’t want to hijack this thread any further but just one more commen. Starting the Core 4 and other supplements combats directly the effect the mercury has on the body..

Good luck.
Posted 10/23/2018 9:29 AM (GMT -5)

Girlie said...

astroman said...


Anyway, I always though everyone with lyme has "chronic fatigue" as its one of the the main symptom. Checking thyroid levels is the very first thing one should do with extreme fatigue, lyme or no lyme - cant guess, its some lab testing.

Nope not everyone. I don’t have fatigue.
we’re all unique in our symptom “package”

Wow, no fatigue with lyme (!?)
had pretty much all of the classic lyme symptoms, and from reading here I assumed everyone had major lyme fatigue. Thats why so many are inaccurately dx'd with fibro.

Fatigue and aches, low muscle recovery are what led me to look into lyme. Without those but still with the other symptoms, lyme diagnosis/detective work prob would have been more difficult to arrive at lyme being the issue.

My fatigue is much improved after lyme treatment. My energy follows thyroid levels now, with two doses a day, highs and low from T3 are a reality. Deep sleep is a must to- big difference. Shallow sleep is not much better than no sleep to me. Gut health is related to energy too - learned from experience.
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