BVT Update (3.5 months)

Unless you have a deep care for the life of bees as a living creature who deserve to live not sure there's any concern about it? Would love someone to articulate it.

Regarding auto-immune there's growing evidence that the whole premise of your body attacking itself is not quite what it appears to be. What's in fact behind the phenomenon is pathogens that mimic certain body systems that the immune system mistakes them for. I posted an article not too long ago on this here. Interesting stuff.

RainyCloud said...
I find it surprising that people who are against BVT aren't doing anything to help save the bees themselves.

Kind of like caring enough about the environment to say something to others, but never recycling yourself or walking the talk.

Many BVT patients end up being beekeepers, the amount of bees used are quickly restored and a minuscule margin of the bee population.

Also, the bees used for BVT are at the end of their life cycle, they are worker bees, who are on the verge of dying.

Last, as far as I'm concerned, the beekeepers I've heard of, are making them solely for BVT. So yes, they are extra bees.

There are people dying from lyme disease, I thought the last place would be this forum for people to not understand desperation to get better.

If you knew your suffering child, who's in pain every day, could be healed by bees, would you say no? I find it surprising this forum doesn't understand.

What about the herbs we are using? Are we replacing them after harvest? Are we doing anything about the polluting Chinese factories that process them? What about the plastic bottles they are stored in? Do you think recycling means 100% recyclable?

What about the antibiotics we are using? Are we not still testing them on animals? Because we are.

What do you mean this forum doesn’t understand?
One member posted concern about the bees.

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Personally if I didn’t have the fear of stinging myself with bees - I’d do it - and then again once I’m better - I’d think about giving back - ie raising replacement bees.

I’m taking long term abx - and I dare anyone I know to tell me that I’m creating resistance to antibiotics - or I’m damaging our sea life by my abx laden pee that get flushed out in the sewer.

Stop denying chronic Lyme exists - start diagnosing us earlier when it’s easier to treat...
Don’t criticize my desperate attempt to heal myself!!

I’m all alone in this illness - theres really no support - it’s all on us and our family to navigate through this hellish journey!
Am I right ?

Sorry for the rant.

Girlie said...
Rikky - because our bee population has been dropping over the past several years it is cause for concern. - killing more bees adds to that.
I think that’s what the concern is.

We can not survive without bees.

But -- if people are breeding bees for this purpose - then they’re not depleting them.. cuz they’re extras ...

From what I've seen in my FB group, this therapy is actually helping the bee population. Countless members now appreciate everything these bees do and start their own hives.

On average, it will take 3500 bees to save someone's life. That is a tenth of the population of a single yearly hive. Mind you, this is over a 2 to 3 year time frame.I was introduced to my beekeeper friend through my wife who already knew his wife. He is going to get me started with a hive next year. I plan on starting many more after that.

Rikky1 said...
Glad to see you making progress. I think I remember your LLMD recommending 9 months of abx IV for a ridiculous sum of cash. That might've of worked also who knows but that kind of money puts that option out of most of our reaches especially given it may not even work.

One suggestion add DMSO daily to supercharge the effectiveness of your BVT. It opens up cells to allow better penetration of molecules and is a potent anti-inflammatory so could help with that issue which you definitely have.

Give it a try its super safe and costs pennies. I'm doing 1/2tsp daily and will prob work up to 1tsp 2x/day. Its also an antimicrobial so adds to the killing power. Stuff is the wonder drug.

Keep us posted my friend.

Here's a good history of DMSO:

http://www.healing-haven.com/benefits-of-dmso.html

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_miraclemineral07.htm

Thanks Rikky.

I'm hesitant with messing around with DMSO. I actually have some and used it once. But I know you've got to be extremely sterile in handling it because it will absorb anything that comes in contact with and transport in into your cells. I'm ashamed to say it, but I'm not that confident in my cleanliness...lol

sebreg said...
Hoagie, so exciting that you are making progress with the bee venom therapy! It sounds like it is pretty strong but effective. I hope you keep seeing lots of good progress and that the rest of the symptoms gradually melt away.

And thank you for sharing your experience. It is really helpful for those who may be considering pursuing this therapy. It's awful when we feel we are running out of treatment options, always great to hear how people do with some of these alternative therapies. Very encouraging.

Thanks sebreg!

I've still got a ways to go. But I'm hopeful. Seems like there's always that something that has me super worried. It's my swallowing right now. I actually think it might be acid reflux. I'm seeing a specialist about it this week.

RainyCloud said...
Hoagie, how important is it that you do the stings next to the spine?

I'm asking because I can barely manage to do them on my leg without freaking out.

The fact that I can still "see" them, is what's making me get over the fear.

I mean, it still enters the blood stream right?

I'm just trying to figure out how vital it is to do next to the spine.

You definitely want to stay only on the spine for at least 3 months at 10 stings. I'm not exactly clear on the science on why we don't venture out from the spine til then. But, I was just talking to a new bvt member that had stung some acupressure point on her foot when she was only at 1 sting and landed herself in the er. Crazy. I risked it and stung my funny bone a month in and it helped my ulnar issues.

You sting 1 inch off the spine because that's where a lot of nerves start. The theory is that the venom hitches a ride on those nerves throughout your nervous system and to whatever is at the end of those nerves. There is a chart in the files section of the fb page that shows which parts of the spine feed to what other parts of the body.

Maybe ill open a thread discussing the vegan aspect of killing poor innocent mold for the making of antibiotics ....oh wait i meant the 'murderizing' of bees for therapy as a moral discussion.it would be interesting daisies... perspective is always appreciated here by me

I love ,love that video...they scored it themselves ...i hope to make a feature lenghth doc of that quality soon.

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 11/6/2018 8:05:40 AM (GMT-7)

astroman said...

Rikky1 said...
.........................Regarding auto-immune there's growing evidence that the whole premise of your body attacking itself is not quite what it appears to be. What's in fact behind the phenomenon is pathogens that mimic certain body systems that the immune system mistakes them for. I posted an article not too long ago on this here. Interesting stuff.

When we're taking things out of context (the context of peoples whole illness story) its easy to not see the whole picture. If anyone fully dives into autoimmune info, its clear there are many reasons, its not always pathogens, but obviously can be. Pathogens/yeast overgrowth in the gut, yes,.... are a good starting point. Many pathogen-autoimmune articles are somewhat biased, ignoring gut health. A lot of autoimmune is food based, and or what modern food chemicals did to our digestive tract (Round Up).. This is why some autoimmune people completely stop it in its tracks once the offending foods or chemical are found.

Some people role there eyes on the whole food thing, (seen it here) they prob never had experience with food/gut issues. I have, a lot. The gut cant be ignored. Its where our immune system starts. That needs to heal first if its "off".

After reading Clean Gut, there is no doubt food plays a major role in probably the majority of autoimmune processes..

For those unaware, leaky gut is the main culprit. Once the gut lining is compromised enough, it let's certain particles through that aren't supposed to get through. This could be anything, but most likely going to be something like certain types of grains at first. The immune system is alerted that there is an intruder amis, and attacks it. So, now every time you eat grain, the immune system has already identified it as a threat, so the troops are dispatched every time it's consumed.

I hope I explained that correctly.