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Posted 4/13/2019 1:47 PM (GMT -5)
The more I workout (with more protien) the higher this gets. I eat a balanced low inflammatory diet.

Creatinine is good (a better kidney test).

Liver enzymes are 20's (great).

My body chemistry still is not right.
Posted 4/13/2019 2:04 PM (GMT -5)
Yes actually, I do. I just got labs yesterday and my BUN was something like 33 with the range being up to 30, and the BUN:creat ratio was over the top too. My lymphs are high as well. I did finally got my liver enzymes back to normal with coffee enemas. But I don't know what's going on. I seem to retain water very easily and I'm not sure if they're related since they're kidney tests.
Posted 4/13/2019 2:40 PM (GMT -5)
What is your gfr ?

That’s a good indicator of kidney function.

My kidneys have been good throughout lyme and treatment except when I took dapsone and daraprim.
After Each cycle it took a few weeks to normalize.
Posted 4/13/2019 5:23 PM (GMT -5)
Never had gfr yet and forgot to ask for it. On the list.
Posted 4/13/2019 7:04 PM (GMT -5)
It might show up as eGFR or something. They pretty much always include it with kidney tests.
Posted 4/13/2019 7:11 PM (GMT -5)
Yah, the GfR is the standard measurement when monitoring kidneys.

I have an elderly friend and that is the test she gets every month or two now. (Her GfR is less than 35) - so they are monitoring her closely.
Posted 4/13/2019 7:30 PM (GMT -5)
Astroman - If your creatinine is good, your GFR should be okay also. Creatinine plays a big role in GFR. High protein can affect kidneys, raise creatinine. So the fact you are using highere protein and still good creatinine is a good sign.

Are you drinking a lot of liquids? Dehydration can cause high Bun/creatinine.
Posted 4/13/2019 7:32 PM (GMT -5)
astro what about your albumin, CO2 and protein levels? Those can indicate kidney misbehavior as well. All of mine are off or borderline except albumin...plus this massive fluid retention....grrrr, there is something going on with my kidneys too. I hate when stuff still looks "normal". Something isn't adding up.

edit: oh we posted at the same time. I was overly hydrated when I took this test and still had a high ratio (33.3 with range being 8-24) which befuddles me.
Posted 4/13/2019 8:35 PM (GMT -5)
jb - I may have missed it or forgotten in previous posts about this. Where is your creatinine and GFR at? And when you mention retaining fluid retention - is it in your feet, ankles, face?
Posted 4/13/2019 8:54 PM (GMT -5)

running wild said...
Astroman - If your creatinine is good, your GFR should be okay also. Creatinine plays a big role in GFR. High protein can affect kidneys, raise creatinine. So the fact you are using highere protein and still good creatinine is a good sign.

I forgot you have mentioned the gfr and creatinine connection before.

And my creatinine and gfr were both out of range when the Dap or Dara was affecting my kidneys.
Posted 4/13/2019 9:28 PM (GMT -5)
running wild - My creatinine and GFR are the only normal things, GFR is 96 and creatinine is 0.72 (range 0.5-1.5), it's just the BUN ratio that's off. Fluid is all in my abdomen - if I shake my belly you can audibly hear it slosh around. Doctors have no diagnosis or solution, what else is new.

edit: speaking of creatinine, I found out women's is normally lower due to less muscle mass, so more like 0.5-1.
Posted 4/13/2019 9:52 PM (GMT -5)

running wild said...
Astroman - If your creatinine is good, your GFR should be okay also. Creatinine plays a big role in GFR. High protein can affect kidneys, raise creatinine. So the fact you are using highere protein and still good creatinine is a good sign.

Are you drinking a lot of liquids? Dehydration can cause high Bun/creatinine.

I should drink more water and retest too. I dont drink much water unless I'm outside sweating it off (its still a snowy winter here). Actually very few people drink as much water as you should.

My creatinine is (.83); range is ( .70 - 1.33)

I do have a protien issue to figure out too; no matter how much I ingest, its always at the bottom or under range. Despite that, I still have a fit / physique build. And that might be why my immune cells are low, these need protien.

Post Edited (astroman) : 4/13/2019 8:55:12 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/13/2019 10:05 PM (GMT -5)

jb1994 said...
astro what about your albumin, CO2 and protein levels? Those can indicate kidney misbehavior as well. All of mine are off or borderline except albumin...plus this massive fluid retention....grrrr, there is something going on with my kidneys too. I hate when stuff still looks "normal". Something isn't adding up.

edit: oh we posted at the same time. I was overly hydrated when I took this test and still had a high ratio (33.3 with range being 8-24) which befuddles me.

Carbon Monoxide is good @ 24, (range 20-32).

Albumin is good @ 4.1 ,(range 3.6 - 5.1).

My protien and globulin are always a little LOW for despite upping and taking in enough protien . Albumin/globulin ratio has been on the edge for a year.

Protien total low, 5.8 (range 6.1-8.1).
Globulin low 1.7 (range 1.9 - 3.7).

Three regular Drs did not know what to think of this. Some lymphocytes have also been low and these NEED protien for correct levels.
Posted 4/13/2019 11:17 PM (GMT -5)
Yeah the low protein thing confuses me as well. I'm sure I consume as much protein as you, or at least over my daily requirement. Low protein can cause fluid balance issues when your body is excreting too much, but I'm not sure what exactly causes it.
Posted 4/14/2019 10:10 AM (GMT -5)
Jb- did you have gfr tested?

I had a protein in urin test (just a pee in the cup test), and that was normal so I don’t know where it’s going. Think I had a fecal protein test to, normal.
Posted 4/14/2019 2:46 PM (GMT -5)
I've looked a lot into kidney issues with what I have happening, but the good creatinine and/or good GFR with low protein throws me. Not that it means something is wrong, just I haven't come across that. Maybe a malabsorption issue?

Real low protein can cause swelling, but haven't heard of water retention. It's great the creatinine is good. Have you had a 24-hour urine jb? Don't know it is necessary, but wondering. The "pee cup" tests aren't always reliable. And it would surprise me, Astroman, if your GFR is off because your creatinine is good.
Posted 4/14/2019 3:28 PM (GMT -5)

running wild said...
I've looked a lot into kidney issues with what I have happening, but the good creatinine and/or good GFR with low protein throws me. Not that it means something is wrong, just I haven't come across that. Maybe a malabsorption issue?

Real low protein can cause swelling, but haven't heard of water retention. It's great the creatinine is good. Have you had a 24-hour urine jb? Don't know it is necessary, but wondering. The "pee cup" tests aren't always reliable. And it would surprise me, Astroman, if your GFR is off because your creatinine is good.

I think your addressing both of us..?

1)I never had GFR tested yet, I will though.

2)If malabsorbption was the case with me, I would think protien would then show up in booth protien poop and pee tests, but both were normal. And I can build muscle.

3) I wonder if I still dont take in enough protien (hard to believe though).

4) or if protien is converting to something else in my body.
Posted 4/14/2019 4:02 PM (GMT -5)
Astroman - Yes, was meaning for you also. I had seen where you had not had GFR. But with your creatinine not near the high range, your GFR is probably pretty good, but couldn't hurt to get checked. If your kidneys are working well, then the BUN might still be high if you are taking in a lot of protein. But then the low total protein.

Could it be treatment is causing something in kidney to release protein in urine? Have you had spot urine checked or a 24-hour urine? I cannot remember through your posts, but I know you have had a lot of things happen in past. Like Girle had "off" kidney counts through treatment. Just brainstorming.
Posted 4/14/2019 4:56 PM (GMT -5)

running wild said...
Astroman - ..................

Could it be treatment is causing something in kidney to release protein in urine?

Have you had spot urine checked or a 24-hour urine?

I cannot remember through your posts, but I know you have had a lot of things happen in past. Like Girle had "off" kidney counts through treatment. Just brainstorming.

I finished with lyme and candida treatment for over two years now. Had a protien urine test (just the cup) and it was normal just a few months ago.

spot urine - no, is that the actual name?

24-hour urine - not kidney health, just cortisol
Posted 4/14/2019 5:52 PM (GMT -5)
Astroman - I don't think "spot urine" is name used by doctors, but maybe I heard it and use it. Just mean when you go in for office visit and urinalysis is done randomly. The 24-hour tells so much more and gives a clearer picture, but I'm saying things you know.

So that one has me thrown. Will be interested to hear what your doctor tells you and jb, also.
Posted 4/14/2019 6:55 PM (GMT -5)
As in “ on the spot “. Yes- what I was calling the cup test and it was to check for protons in urin, which would obviously be a bad thing. I was good there. I’m going to a specialist soon.
Posted 4/14/2019 6:58 PM (GMT -5)
Before I was diagnosed I had some protein detected in my urine a couple times.

No one seemed to be concerned.
But now I’m wondering about it.
Posted 4/14/2019 7:27 PM (GMT -5)
Protein in urine happens. It's how much that can become a concern. They may have just found minimal trace amounts in yours, Girlie. Was it when you were taking the meds that cause problems? Not minimizing concern but so it doesn't stress you.
Posted 4/14/2019 7:56 PM (GMT -5)
No it was a few years ago - even before I knew I had lyme.

I test monthly - part of Dr J’s “Safety” Labs

I’m not on the meds that we’re the culprit a few months ago.
Posted 4/14/2019 8:43 PM (GMT -5)
astro - yes, my GFR was 96 and normal is above 90, with "acceptable" being above 60. So that's in order at least...I guess. But, it is down from last time two months ago, which was 116, and prior to that 110. Might be nothing.

running wild - I only had a pee cup that day, and they found no protein. No 24 hour urine test.
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