Dysautonomia

We have Naturopathic Drs who offer the IV’s here in Canada.

( Both Pharma and vitamin/nutrient)

I know...right? Anyone in the US I hear who says "oh Europeans are so lucky, they have free healthcare!" It almost makes me gasp.

Anyone that really looks at how govt.entities are run should know that it's a cattle call. Govt. is always under-resourced, govt. employees are usually protected by an army of regulations and unions. And there's a protocol for another protocol for another protocol...the red tape is staggering. So if a govt. doc messes up, they're typically moved or re-trained. They typically can't be sued.

Get sick...good luck! Wait list central for a specialist.


While we don't have an NHS like system. We do have military hospitals which active duty military families have access to and is very NHS like. Also the Veterans Administration Healthcare system.

I have been bombarded by horror stories of substandard care at these hospitals and clinics (myself included as my husband was a military officer for 20+ yrs and our son was born at one of these "lovely places".) There are running jokes about some of these hospitals as butcher shops and whatnot. So whenever some misinformed person here makes some statement envying the NHS or European system. I'll share with them examples why the grass only appears greener on the other side... it's not.

Is the US good? No...not even close. We have people going into poverty due to exorbitant medical bills. Something seriously needs to be done about this also.

Post Edited (ElizKA26) : 10/11/2019 6:08:42 PM (GMT-6)

Probably not. I've paid out the wazoo to be treated by jerks. Regardless of where you are, medicine has its status quo model it has to follow. I've found unless you're bleeding out in an ER or just need a physical those are the only instances healthcare works.

I respectfully disagree regarding US healthcare. I am very grateful for the freedom I have to choose my insurance plan among many options. I am not under Obamacare, thank God.

If single payer is a national government run healthcare system, then I hope it doesn’t happen in my lifetime. That is absolute socialism, something I pray to never be a victim of.

Does our healthcare system have problems? Yes. Most of our problems are due to too much government interference already in addition to the insurance red tape that hinders doctors from making appropriate decisions regarding healthcare. A socialist healthcare system will only make this problem much worse.

In the last 20-30 years, our freedoms in all aspects of life have been systematically eroded by those who desire socialism.

I think if you have money then the US healthcare is great...but what happens to the poor? They go without - and the middle class - sell their home to pay for cancer surgery and treatment?

Or is it not like that? And I’m way off base?

Roads and firefighters are socialist, we like those. Capitalism is wonderful, too, but unfettered capitalism can become a problem because of income disparity and we're edging toward the problematic level. A democracy with some socialist programs would be one feasible way to keep it in check. Medicare is socialism, for instance.

I think the single payer debate has more under the surface than we realize but those who promote it have their hearts in the right place. Would specialist doctors like ours partake in a single payer system? Likely not so I don't see things for ppl like us changing but it could have overarching benefits.

Or in our case - no copay to see a Dr. or go to the Emergency dept...or have a colonoscopy....

There's no easy answer or perfect system. However, having gone through the US military healthcare system which is the US's only form of socialized medicine, I know that I would not be seeing an LLMD or treated for Lyme.

Knowing the US govt. stance on Lyme why would one want to even consider going to a socialized plan? I just read an article the UK is seeing some the worst cancer outcomes due to reluctance and apathy of GP's referring to specialists in a timely fashion due to cost cutting measures and lack of resources w/the NHS.

Yes, our system is pretty pathetic. It would be nice if they made healthcare a free market but affordable. So we wouldn't need insurance. We could pay out of pocket, and a slew of different free market facilities with different pricing plans and options to choose from. However, some govt. regulation/oversight where they cap prices so people don't end up in the poorhouse just bc they needed an MRI!

ElizKA26 said...
There's no easy answer or perfect system. However, having gone through the US military healthcare system which is the US's only form of socialized medicine, I know that I would not be seeing an LLMD or treated for Lyme.

Knowing the US govt. stance on Lyme why would one want to even consider going to a socialized plan? I just read an article the UK is seeing some the worst cancer outcomes due to reluctance and apathy of GP's referring to specialists in a timely fashion due to cost cutting measures and lack of resources w/the NHS.

Yes, our system is pretty pathetic. It would be nice if they made healthcare a free market but affordable. So we wouldn't need insurance. We could pay out of pocket, and a slew of different free market facilities with different pricing plans and options to choose from. However, some govt. regulation/oversight where they cap prices so people don't end up in the poorhouse just bc they needed an MRI!

I had a conversation about this with Dr M once and his hesitation on a single payer system was the additional government oversight into what LLMD's are doing. He said that no way would their work be covered so they would take a huge pay cut. Additionally, most of these guys fund their own research so if they did take a reduction in pay, they could no longer do that and would likely close up shop. The solution to this, obviously would be for them to remain separate from the medicare-for-all system and essentially just keep doing what they do now. Single payer sounds great but it would likely be preferable if doctors had the option to opt out so people like our LLMD's could continue their practice. I don't think much would change for us

Aerose91 said...

I had a conversation about this with Dr M once and his hesitation on a single payer system was the additional government oversight into what LLMD's are doing. He said that no way would their work be covered so they would take a huge pay cut. Additionally, most of these guys fund their own research so if they did take a reduction in pay, they could no longer do that and would likely close up shop. The solution to this, obviously would be for them to remain separate from the medicare-for-all system and essentially just keep doing what they do now. Single payer sounds great but it would likely be preferable if doctors had the option to opt out so people like our LLMD's could continue their practice. I don't think much would change for us

Glad you posted this. This is the kind of reality I am talking about. Everything would change, even for us. If LLMDs and ND’s, functional MD’s and any other medical practitioners that don’t take insurance now can no longer do what they do, you will be stuck with a government doctor for all your healthcare needs.

I suspect access to herbs and supplements will also greatly diminish if not disappear altogether. Know how the internet has already changed where it’s hard to find alternative health information that used to pull up easily in searches? Expect much more of that coming. Your freedoms are being taken away.

Aerose91, I'm so profusely sorry and am sure there's lots of people in a similar situations...as I'm a lot lately hearing "some folks are just a lost job or medical crisis away from homelessness."

While I am married happily and have a good insurance, I would easily be in a similar situation if not for this. I feel so grateful and blessed.

My experience with Lyme though, has opened me up to the realization that there are many not so lucky. It has inspired me to question the idea of starting a charity to help people dealing with a difficult & debilitating autoimmune illness and cancer pay for living expenses or treatment.

My prayers to you Aerose91, I wish I could help you!

ElizKA26 said...
Aerose91, I'm so profusely sorry and am sure there's lots of people in a similar situations...as I'm a lot lately hearing "some folks are just a lost job or medical crisis away from homelessness."

While I am married happily and have a good insurance, I would easily be in a similar situation if not for this. I feel so grateful and blessed.

My experience with Lyme though, has opened me up to the realization that there are many not so lucky. It has inspired me to question the idea of starting a charity to help people dealing with a difficult & debilitating autoimmune illness and cancer pay for living expenses or treatment.

My prayers to you Aerose91, I wish I could help you!

Elizka-

Thank you for your well wishes. It's totally ok though, I do fine on my own. The only place available to me is my parents' house but I'm positive there is mold there so this is the best option. Hey, I can't complain, though. I live in my truck so have all my stuff in the back, stay dry when it rains, warm when it's cold and have locked doors at night. What more can a person ask for? This is the best way I can take some control of my situation so that's what it is, then!