Have you taken the vaccine?

potsnpans said...
The vaccines do not modify human dna.. they do not enter the nucleus of the cell

This is not relevant at all. The problem with mRNA vaccines is that they use synthetic mRNA wish is not the same as biological mRNA in humans. synthetic mRNA was never ever tested in humans and long term side effects are not known

Vaccinen in development like the Valneva Vaccine show promise because they are based on the tested for decades flu vaccine billions of people take very year. its safety is well established. People should wait for this more secure vaccines. I will. But then we must first see its efficacy

postpans, i see that its not easy for you to understand the "whole picture". Of course i know the research points out that only variant. Thus, its so easy to understand, why all vaccines will be useless against this variant. I didnt said that it would still work on old variants, of course they work and we have evidence for that. But who cares?? It is this new variant that will be dominant and reinfect everyone even if they have been vaccinated. Is it so much difficult for you to understand?

And you keep saying that "It's your interpretation of what has been published that had you making the claim." when you perfectly know that it is moderna and pfizer who are reporting this and giving that interpretation, no, better, that evidence.

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 2/18/2021 4:48:55 PM (GMT-7)

isitlyme said...
...you perfectly know that it is moderna and pfizer who are reporting this and giving that interpretation, no, better, that evidence.

Pfizer and Moderna are not saying their vaccines are "useless" against the SA variant.. they are saying they probably work, but they probably don't work as well as they did in the trials.

Immunologists who aren't employed by the companies seem to be saying the same things.

I think your incorrectly drawing a straight line from differences in antibodies measured in the studies to differences in real world protection/immunity.

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 2/18/2021 6:23:17 PM (GMT-7)

ChristianWithLyme said...
Quite a few suspicious reports out there:.

Real real tragic, in the Norway same happened or still is happening and the authorities there, simply say the usual crap excuse of the arrogant pharma "there is no evidence it was the vaccine" and people keep dying after getting the vaccine mRNA. How is there "no evidence", if they dont even know what the mRNA vaccines do to the human body? The problem is not having evidence, because there is enough evidence, the problem, is that they are not scientifically capable to see what and how the mechanisms of mRNA vaccine kill people, some in the first shot, some after the second and so on. Just because they dont see evidence, doesnt mean it doesnt exists, they are simply donkeys looking at a palace that cant tell the difference. But congratulations for Spain in stopping the killing, PFIZER would probably say its not related of course. Reports keep coming on deaths after pfizer vaccines and many ones..

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/shocking-23-elderly-patients-die-in-norway-after-pfizer-covid-vaccination-probe-launched

How is all this with spain not evidence??????????? How many more have to die??

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 2/18/2021 6:26:14 PM (GMT-7)

These website names are too comical.. HumansAreFree.com Get it?? The theepochtimes??? Most these sites will be gone in a month or two.. What message board do you go on to find these? Thats actually a serious question. 4chan??

isitlyme said...
How is all this with spain not evidence??????????? How many more have to die??

...Lets join some pieces together:

If you're really looking for answers or suggestions as to what might be happening in those cases, depending on the news outlet you often have to look just beyond the headline. Some in the elderly facilities may have had more extreme side effects because they had had covid a few weeks prior.. Some may have gotten covid shortly before or after vaccination (vaccine protection kicks in about 2 weeks after shot and I think one of the facilities had an outbreak around the same time that vaccines were being administered).. Some of the patients may have just been too frail to handle any side effects at all (in which case maybe they shouldn't have received vaccines). Perhaps most importantly, health officials were often quoted saying the amount of deaths in nursing homes, etc is not any higher than usual (without mass vaccination).

So those are some thoughts to mingle with before making any judgements, though what's truly happened in each story may remain unclear.. some of the stories have since been followed up on btw, if you really do want more info.

The Valvena vaccine, I don't know anything about it.. it may end up being safer I guess we will see. But consider that 185 million doses of the other vaccines have so far been administered throughout the world.. now, if 185 million doses of the Valneva vaccine had been administered instead, there would surely be enough coincidental deaths for the epoch times and humansarefree.com to publish these kinds of stories we're now talking about, don't you think?

CWL: Since you posted about deaths in Norway in another thread and have previously railed against Chinese misinformation.. I caught something that should interest you from a link isitlyme posted, also about deaths in Norway. His link says that "Chinese publication Global Times first broke the story".

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/shocking-23-elderly-patients-die-in-norway-after-pfizer-covid-vaccination-probe-launched

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 2/18/2021 9:52:24 PM (GMT-7)

Postpans, it is valneva vaccine.

My husband had the Pfizer vax yesterday.
He said the shot hurt!

Today his arm is very sore.
He told me this morning that the Nurse asked him if he had any autoimmune diseases.
He said he wasn’t sure - as he has hypothyroidism - but didn’t know if that was an AD.

He called in sick for work - lol

potsnpans said...
However, if the SA variant becomes dominant, a booster shot should take care of that .

Yes, it will be dominant, simply because vaccinated people will not have enough protection from it.

Booster shots will need to be tested again or not, i dont know. Either way, it will force people to be exposed to the adverse events of mRNA again and again, because there will be more mutations.

People like the elderly population are fragile people with co-diseases and younger people with other diseases, autoimune, Lyme and many others are vulnerable too. They could even die just for taking this mRNA vaccine, yes thats true, die, as we know that hapened to several people in the world, not just elderly. And dying shortly after receiving a vaccine for reasons other than anaphilactic shock, is unprecedented and happening on the mRNA vaccines. So all, be carefull and think twice, before getting the mRNA poison. If there are safer vaccines being done and available soon, like valneva, novavax, Johnson, valneva being the more safest IMO, why would anyone risk mRNA in the first place? We dont even have long term effect knowledge of the mRNA on people, possibly cancer and other diseases? We just dont know. Even if people go "ok" after getting the mRNA shot, they will never know what it will cause to them on the long term. On the other hand, Valneva vaccine is based on the common flu shot tested and known for decades for its safety in all populations. So its up to you, get it and be on doubt, even if you dont have short term effects but risk other long term effects, unknown from the mRNA or wait for a safer vaccines. Im just saying and for good reasons:

Quite:

"Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said the assessments suggest that common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients."

Frail or not frail, just the recognition that "it may have contributed to a fatal outcome", is a red flag and it applies to every other death being reported at an alarming rate, shortly after getting the mRNA vaccine.

Take care.

Source:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/18/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-deaths-norway-intl/index.html

Post Edited (isitlyme) : 2/21/2021 12:42:53 AM (GMT-7)

I think it’s pretty clear that the vaccine is safe for healthy people. Like pots said, were now at the 200m mark for shots across the globe, and there are a handful of isolated incedents and adverse reactions, which as fraction of shots given is nothing...meanwhile covid rages on, killing thousands daily and creatine many more long-hauler victims

That being said, I am hesitant as a guy w an autoimmune disease. It’s just a whole different beast completely, and I’m quite weary of stimulating my immune system in that way. I will probably opt to get it though

isitlyme said...
Again, as an example hydroxychloroquine as been there for a while too, also given to millions of people. Now does this mean that the drug is safe to give to everyone? It was discovered that this drug had a fatal outcome in people with covid and with or without heart problems. It was even blackboxed for Covid by FDA due to heart rythm problems even in people who had mild covid. So please stop this thought about this vaccine being safe, its not. And there are specialists around the world, altough few ones, that are against mRNA, but favor other vaccines . This is not by chance.

Take care.

Don’t understand what one has to do with the other.

Also, it seems some don't understand or want to ignore that there isn't long term safety data from mRNA. Do you? The possibility of acquiring other dangerous disease trough the years from mRNA is not out of question. Common flu shot have that safety data guaranteed, mRNA not. Arghh, how many times i have to explain this..

isitlyme said...
Also, it seems some don't understand or want to ignore that there isn't long term safety data from mRNA.

There won't be longterm data for any of the vaccines. IMO, it is the antigens used in the vaccines that we should be most interested in wrt longterm safety data.

What is the suspicion here with mRNA specifically? The way I understand it is the genetic material degrades quickly and is completely gone from the body in 1-3 days. Are you thinking it's possible that the genetic material sticks around or stays active for longer than is realized? ..or that it has some kind of lasting effect unrelated to the desired immune response?