Utah Mom, 39, Dies Days After Receiving Second Dose of Moderna Vaccine

That's fine, but you have to admit: rules were not changed.

Lets forget this, potsnpans. Our reasoning doesnt mean nothing if we are upset about this. Just because i dont agree with you, doesnt mean that i dont agree with you in other things. Its fine if you have other opinion about this, i am sure that other members can agree with you, but others dont, and thats fine. I am sure there will be other things that will pop out and still we will not agree, thats fine too. Lets just move on and sorry if this conversation is upseting you or other members, just let this stay this way, we already spoke more than needed about this, and everyone was heard, wish is wonderful and good in this forum.

It doesn't mean we can still speak about this things, because i think its important people should know about what is happening. So information about this topic is always welcome and informative. Each of us can then do a personal choice of what to do about this information.

Some other bits of information you've shared could use more explanation:

isitlyme said...
Instead, Dr. Kory and europe researchers proved that if Ivermectin would be approved for covid treatment and prevention, Covid would be erradicated in 6 weeks.

Existing data on ivermectin and covid is mostly promising, though sometimes contradictory. Where in that data does the above claim arise from?

isitlyme said...
Of course, the real Numbers from deaths after mRNA vax are undereported because its much more than 10.000 in 2 months

How are you coming to this conclusion?

"sadly trials for long term safety were sacrificed."

They will still be done.. but they are not (and never were) required for FDA approval/ authorization of use in the US.

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potsnpans said...
Some other bits of information you've shared could use more explanation:

isitlyme said...
Instead, Dr. Kory and europe researchers proved that if Ivermectin would be approved for covid treatment and prevention, Covid would be erradicated in 6 weeks.

Its a simple prediction by some experts, doesnt mean it will happen, but according to them it could happen if it was really approved and applied.

isitlyme said...
Of course, the real Numbers from deaths after mRNA vax are undereported because its much more than 10.000 in 2 months

How are you coming to this conclusion?

This is the case and its been denounced since many years, that only 1% of the adverse reports are reported to CDC vaers system. This issues are known for many years now. This was published by Peter Collignon and his colleagues in 2010 here and this still continues until today:

Quote: "How can public health officials rely on a system that reports fewer than 1% of adverse effects?"

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/02/underreporting-vaccine-adverse-events

More recent sources confirm the same is happening in recent years

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/its-common-knowledge-that-many-side-effects-dont-get-reported-to-fda-but-study-reveals-startling-scope-of-problem/
Quote: "just 1% of an estimated 276,000 serious adverse events had been reported in 2017. (Silverman, 12/4) "

So i have no doubt that this his still happening today.

On the CDC page you can find that "from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." Of course they can say that it was not the vaccine, that it was covid. But in reality, they never relate any death to the vaccine. Even in healthy people without covid, blaming always underlying problems, when the victim had no health problems at all. So i dont trust that conclusions.

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isitlyme said...
Its a simple prediction by some experts, doesnt mean it will happen, but according to them it could happen if it was really approved and applied.

Ok, previously you said they "proved" it. Can you remember what study you were referring to? I would like to see it.

isitlyme said...
...only 1% of the adverse reports are reported to CDC vaers system

Notice in the first article they are referring to "adverse events". When they break down those events, we can see they are referring to Kawasaki disease and febrile
convulsions.. not "deaths".
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You're second article is not specific to the VAERS system, but rather every medicine (including ivermectin). It also does not include deaths. Quote:

"Stat: Problems With Medicines May Be Vastly Underreported To The FDA

It’s no secret that the many side effects caused by medicines do not get reported to the Food and Drug Administration, but a new report suggests the magnitude of underreporting is far greater than imagined. After examining side effects that were conveyed to the regulator for five widely used medicines — two different types of arthritis treatments, an antipsychotic, and a blood thinner — just 1% of an estimated 276,000 serious adverse events had been reported in 2017. (Silverman, 12/4) "

Many deaths found in the VAERS won't have anything to do with the vaccine. Nothing in there is confirmed.. only cases that require investigation.

It looks to me like you are assuming that every death reported in the VAERS was caused by the vaccine.. and are then mistakenly expanding the number 10 fold.

isitlyme said...
Dr. Kory or in the FLCCC Alliance site, i suggest

Why are you choosing to trust Dr. Kory, but not other "experts" wrt vaccines?

"Why are you choosing to trust Dr. Kory, but not other "experts" wrt vaccines?"

potsnpans, I can't answer for isitlyme, but I would probably correlate it to the way most Lyme patients trust their LLMD more than they trust the government agencies and other organizations that would be influenced more by competing interests in regards to Lyme Disease. If we listened only to the government for Lyme Disease, we would be in sorry shape.

Some of us have the same distrust with other issues like Covid-19.

We can't deny what we experience and see.

CWL: You don't have to deny "what (you) experience and see", but it needs to be contextualized.. and inconsistencies should at least be acknowledged.

The "experts" and institutions isitlyme is using to support his statements are basically the same one's he is discrediting.

isitlyme a lot of scientist have a bias against ivermectin and just say anything that the pharma giants and governments tell them to.

potsnpans said...
Instead, Dr. Kory and europe researchers proved that if Ivermectin would be approved for covid treatment and prevention, Covid would be erradicated in 6 weeks.

potsnpans said...
Existing data on ivermectin and covid is mostly promising, though sometimes contradictory. Where in that data does the above claim arise from?

Perhaps, proved was not the right word i should have used. What i had read, is that a Virologist from Belgium Proposed a Plan, this was the right word, to Eradicate COVID-19 in 6 Weeks Using Ivermectin. This in conjunction with a group of intensivists in the USA – the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance that also has called for the rapid introduction of ivermectin to stem the tide of infections

In his proposal to the Belgium government, he referenced trial results, to provide the basis of that same proposal. I used the word proved, in the sense that the virologist referenced proofs of trial results for the basis of his eradication proposal plan, but this was not a proof that the plan itself would work, because it had to be applied. As i said, it was more a prediction based on trial results. I believe it would work. Sorry if i used the wrong word, but that doesn't mean that the virologist proposal would not work, we would need his proposal to be applied for real to see that happen.

Here is the proposal made to the Belgium government, it was published online:

https://hospitalpharmacyeurope.com/views/ivermectin-time-for-action/

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