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Posted 9/18/2021 11:26 AM (GMT -5)
Man this tincture is really stirring something up. Ive been on Doxy, Banderol, Samento full dosage for a few months now and dont feel its had a huge effect on me. But 1 drop of A-Bart had me crawling out of my skin the other day. I backed off to 1/2 drop yesterday and it wasnt too much better.

Im actually nervous to take this stuff but at the same time if its creating that much of a reaction its probably the right thing to take would you agree? The physical stuff I can handle (I assume). The mental/psychological potential is what really scares me the most.

Positive for Lyme, TBRF and IND for Bart
Posted 9/18/2021 3:57 PM (GMT -5)
Many people don’t tolerate Byron White Formulas. If you want to add something for bart, maybe try houttuynia instead. Start low and go slow.
Posted 9/18/2021 4:27 PM (GMT -5)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Many people don’t tolerate Byron White Formulas. If you want to add something for bart, maybe try houttuynia instead. Start low and go slow.

Appreciate the info. Any idea what the deal is with the Byron White stuff? I mean if someone with no infection took this would they still have some sort of reaction to it? Confusing.
Posted 9/18/2021 4:38 PM (GMT -5)
Beyond Balance MC Bar 2 (bart formula) made me feel sick on any dosage, diluted included.

I believe it to be an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients. The sick feeling came on quickly, like hours.

I fooled around with it way too long at the insistence of the doctor. That doctor is history.

Herx reactions seem to show up in days, like 2 or 3.

Just because it makes you feel like crap does NOT mean it is doing good things for you.

And doctors that prescribe all in ones are IMHO lazy and to be avoided. Most of us have MCAS and it is impossible to figure out what component is causing the reaction.
Posted 9/18/2021 4:52 PM (GMT -5)
The Byron White Formulas are highly concentrated 1:1 ratios, so very strong formulas.

They also contain a large number of ingredients. You may be able to tolerate some ingredients and be intolerant or highly reactive to others.
Posted 9/20/2021 9:23 AM (GMT -5)
Your story is the one I've heard most repeated about A-bart for years and years. That's why I haven't tried it.
Posted 9/20/2021 11:03 AM (GMT -5)

Lymie24 said...
Your story is the one I've heard most repeated about A-bart for years and years. That's why I haven't tried it.

If you've been around years then you know everyone is different. I dont want to scare anyone away from trying something that could be the one thing that works for them. I have seen on here that it has helped people.

I guess the point of my post was to ask if this could be a herx or something else. But who really knows anymore.
Posted 9/20/2021 11:21 AM (GMT -5)

Rider400 said...

Lymie24 said...
Your story is the one I've heard most repeated about A-bart for years and years. That's why I haven't tried it.

If you've been around years then you know everyone is different. I dont want to scare anyone away from trying something that could be the one thing that works for them. I have seen on here that it has helped people.

I guess the point of my post was to ask if this could be a herx or something else. But who really knows anymore.

Yes, of course

What I'm saying is I have heard from many others the exact same details as your story over the years. That they couldn't even handle 1 or 2 drops without being sent into an extreme herx/flare. Since these experiences have came from those that have Lyme/Babesia/Bart it's likely this is a herx effect. Practically, if one can't even take one drop of a herbal tincture without suffering from an extreme herx then that is going to be a tough treatment option unless willing to suffer through bad herx after bad herx. Other herb options allow you to play with dosage more effectively.
Posted 9/20/2021 11:28 AM (GMT -5)

Lymie24 said...

Rider400 said...

Lymie24 said...
Your story is the one I've heard most repeated about A-bart for years and years. That's why I haven't tried it.

If you've been around years then you know everyone is different. I dont want to scare anyone away from trying something that could be the one thing that works for them. I have seen on here that it has helped people.

I guess the point of my post was to ask if this could be a herx or something else. But who really knows anymore.

Yes, of course

What I'm saying is I have heard from many others the exact same details as your story over the years. That they couldn't even handle 1 or 2 drops without being sent into an extreme herx/flare. Since these experiences have came from those that have Lyme/Babesia/Bart it's likely this is a herx effect. Practically, if one can't even take one drop of a herbal tincture without suffering from an extreme herx then that is going to be a tough treatment option unless willing to suffer through bad herx after bad herx. Other herb options allow you to play with dosage more effectively.

Just wanted to go on record for anyone else that read this thread. Dont want to persuade anyone to not try something just because it screwed with me. We all need every tool there is to battle this stuff.
Posted 9/20/2021 12:49 PM (GMT -5)
My opinion is if you cant handle one drop of anything theres something in there your body really does not like.
Posted 9/20/2021 9:40 PM (GMT -5)
Breezy,

How did you open your drainage pathways?
Posted 9/25/2021 1:32 PM (GMT -5)
A-Bart really helped me for a while--but it is REALLY strong. I scared myself a couple of times, I was up to taking about 20 drops twice a day.

I think it contains pokeweed, I am pretty sure, which is great for lymph drainage, but is toxic in large amounts. It also has grapefruit seed extract, which is really strong.

I agree though, just because it makes you feel awful doesn't mean anything. One time a relative without Lyme took one of my supplements. I wasn't really noticing anything when I took it, but they said it made them feel awful.
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