WalkingbyFaith said...
Garzie said...
i have filed it in my mind as bogus / errored - most likely mistaken something for another already known organism
Same here. I have some vague memory to this effect. Seems like someone called it into question and brought light to the mistaken identity. I don’t have a link. It’s just in my memory somewhere.
UPDATE:
Found something. It was re-identified as a fungus - Funneliformis mosseae. Still not sure of its accuracy or proper importance. https://www.frequencyfoundation.com/product/fl1953-protmyxzoa-rheumatica-funneliformis-mosseae/
This article (not by Fry) seems to highly over-inflate its importance:
“A fungus is the most debilitating coinfection in Lyme disease. FL1953 was discovered by Fry Labs in chronically ill patients and called Protomyxzoa Rheumatica. In 2017 a research paper in Medical Archives by Fry using DNA sequencing showed it to be Funneliformis mosseae. This pathogen is found in 81% of the mosquitos in Arizona and I estimate that 40% of the population is infected with it. It is the underlying cause of many cases of rheumatoid arthritis and lupus. It is crippling to the joints and can make it difficult or impossible to walk. It appears to be able to infect the mitochondria. As a result, like Bacillus licheniformis it can cause cells to enter an anerobic state which causes cancer or if in the pancreas cause diabetes. I estimate about
96% of cancers are related to Bacillus licheniformis and the remainder are related to Funneliformis mosseae.”wow - some really strong claims in that article WBF - i remember reading about
the this fugus a few years ago
this thing is this is a mycorrhiza type fungus that normally grows intertwined with plant/tree roots and lives in a highly symbiotic relationship with them.
are we really to believe such a specialised organism is infecting 40% of the population ....?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funneliformis
i think there was a similar article from around the same time that had supposedly found a bacterium in a sick person that normally only lived in a specific type of marine mollusc on the sea floor.
what do we think is going on here -
A, maybe - in people who have messed up immune systems it is just possible, occasionally, for unusual organism to find their way into their bloodstream and somehow gain a foothold - but in high % of the population? ......seems hard to reconcile
B, or perhaps scientists and even commercial labs have their hands on new sequencing toys and are shotgun sequencing all sorts of stuff from patients ( this involves smashing up all the DNA in a sample - human and other - into little bits - then multiplying all these little bits up x 1000's of times with PCR - and then trying to figure out what the original sequences were that these little bits belonged to, by using computers to try to read the pieces and try to put them back together again mathematically using algorithms) this new technology is not fully bottomed out and many things effect the answers you get. for example - the reference database of DNA that you use for all the known species (these differ depending on where you get them) and also the algorithms used - different algorithms give different results too.
to me -
is it possible that one or two v unusual cases have some odd organism that normally lives on tree roots or in the ocean? - yes possible - but large percentages of the population - surely not ......
is it possible that the labs machine and algorithms could also spit out surprising but erroneous results due to an anomaly in the process - especially given that its new technology - certainly.
which one is more likely - v hard to say