its not something i have looked into - i tend to steer away from things that do not have much rigorous scientific evidence to support them - and so far what i have read on homeopathy seems to me like the positive effects that are found when its studied properly are moderate and can be adequately explained by the placebo effect.

i know true believers will disagree - and that's not to say its complete bunkum - homeopathy might work by some as yet unknown or undiscovered mechanism - but to my mind there are plenty of things ahead of it in the queue that we have more evidence for efficacy and better understanding of mechanisms involved - so they represent less of a "hit-and-hope option" to my way of thinking. Not knocking anyone else's personal beliefs - just sharing how i view it.
everyone is different and has to reach their own conclusions on where to spend their time and energy - and i respect that.

a somewhat related topic i came across that might be of interest is the routine use of autovaccines in sheep farming - and actually a common but rudimentary practice of taking a syringe full of blood from a vein of an animal and then injecting that blood back into the same animal just under the skin.

in herds with tick and tick born disease exposure - Borrelia, Babesia etc exposure the animals go on to develop higher immunity to tick born infections and even to ticks themselves - and incidence in the herd was shown to reduce over time after autovaccination
The main difference being they are injecting a significant amount of undiluted blood complete with any infections and tick born disease antigens. so its a bit easier to see how that might work.

i am not sure i would advocate it in humans - there are certainly risks associated - but i found it very interesting indeed.

hi Loski

my basic approach has been a lot of trial and error starting with the things that seem to have helped the most people or have emerged from some of the more resent research by the more reputable researchers in the field

-antibiotics
-herbs
-diet and lifestyle changes
-biofilm agents
-immune modulating therapies
-other antimicrobials - like essential oils, methylene blue etc

each one of these is really a chapter in itself

originally i was looking for the magic bullet - and each new thing i read about appeared to me like it could be just that - the thing that would turn my life around

but my experience was that each promising thing helped only a little - or not at all - or made me worse for a time and then maybe better, maybe worse but was hard to tell if it overall helped - in summary - there were no magic bullets- and the world was not behaving the way i had expected / hoped.

so i adjusted -
since then my philosophy has been to try things very systematically - accepting the fact that, to get where i need to go, i may need to combine many things that each help only a little - so i set about making sure if i tried things i could track my trials properly - detect small improvements over time reliably - and then layer what works together to help move me forward a little bit at a time.
so, its not important that i find a silver bullet - just that i get better over time.

i continue to believe the immune system plays a significant role in recovery - its just a hard lever to act on - as so little is known about the immune system and its inner workings.

emma blonde voyage said...
I have tried isopathy with a German doctor who is trained in homeopathy and had vials of the various infections and injected me with them. I found this to be an extremely strong treatment which provided a mixture of good results and also strong herxes for others which were too intense for me at the time.

I have also tried Dr Klinghardt's auto urine therapy method which helped me a lot, especially to stabilise the immune system. I had one friend who did this and was able to stop all of her LDA and LDI treatments because the urine therapy was so effective for them.

I would be really keen to hear more about what you are doing Loski, if you would be able to share?

Thanks for sharing. Haven't heard of injections as a use isopathy, but have for auto vaccines as garzie mentioned.
I'm just doing some experimentation at home. Was doing some research on nosodes.

I stumbled into this article https://hpathy.com/materia-medica/nosodes-when-do-we-need-them/, what grabbed me was the story about her daughter getting chronic flu like symptoms post dental cleaning and her making a 6c from her daughters saliva. I had a dental cleaning 12 days before my **** really hit the fan. Maybe a coincidence.. But I figure not much chance of harm trying to make my own..

Although being years down the road a blood based one might be best.. But I do constantly have to clear my throat of weird saliva, have frequent sore throats, get a funky taste at times etc..

loski01 said...


Thanks for the detailed response. I was more particularly asking if there's anything you've been thinking about adding in but haven't due to logistics/resources etc..?
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sorry Loski - missed this

my outlook is that each of these main things are actually a deeper subject in themselves and would take considerable effort to exhaust before passing over them for something else

for instance - antibiotics
we know 2 or 3weeks of doxy doesn't do it for chronic complex infections - but what about different 3 drug combos'
or 3 drug combo's pulsed - or 3 drug combos + dapsone pulsed - with biofilm agents
its rather a deep list of trials all on its own
its natural enough to start at the simpler milder end of things and add more heavy hitting drugs later if that didn't work

i think biofilms are also an important part of any therapy for chronic infections - as all chronic infections can be shown to produce biofilms - and biofilms are both physically protective of the infection from the immune system - and directly dysregulate the immune system chemically. they are also highly associated with bacteria in persister cell states - which is one of the known barriers to antimicrobial effectiveness.
but tackling biofilms in isolation makes no sense - so its something to combine with other antimicrobial approaches

in a similar way - no amount of antibiotics on their own can cure an infection - without a functioning immune system - this is what is seen in AIDS patients - no matter how much antibiotics they give them they still die of infections(or at least they did until they figured out how to treat the virus and restore some immune function). Chronic Lyme patients are also immunosuppressed, so its equally important to do things that help restore immune function. this is what i think most of the useful diet and lifestyle approaches are doing eg

-even one poor nights sleep lowers ones immune function significantly - proper sleep is restorative to the immune system

-chronic illness is a chronic stressor - and chronic stress causes immune suppression - so stress relieving approaches - like mind body techniques - yoga - meditation - etc can all help restore more normal immune function

-low reactivity diets - like low carb, grain free, low fibre/GAPS etc help take a load of the immune system - around 80% of which lives in and around the gut - and is occupied with dealing with food and microbes from the outside and in the microbiome - so taking a load of that can help it rebalance and fight infections better

so in this way i see successfully treatment as a multi-layered approach using specific therapies combined together to target and counter specific properties of the infections based on a cohesive theory of the disease aetiology.

i see this as conceptually quite distinct from, say, trying antibiotics for 6 months or a year - feeling they didn't work so stopping those and then trying rife - or bee venom - or whatever is the next alternative therapy in the list is.

i see the former as an iterative process of learning and adjusting to better target the infections and support the body from multiple angles concurrently - and thereby improving the chances of a good outcome over time.
its also an approach that can help a person claim back more quality of life along the way as they learn what helps and what hinders and how to layer them - and i see the latter as more of a series of independent one off experiments looking for the silver bullet - in more of a jackpot or bust approach - but a silver bullet that i do not think exists ( we all wish it did).

i am not sure if its helpful - but thought the more interesting discussion was around the paradigm's underlying the decisions we take rather than this treatment or that. the whys rather than the what if you see what i mean.

there are a couple of more "out there" things i have my eye on - just to keep track of developments
1, Bruce Patterson and his long covid diagnostics and treatment trials threw an interesting result - that 20% of patients self reporting to his clinics as having Long COVID and ending up in his trials - according to his diagnostic tests actually have chronic lyme or tick born infections - but he things the underlying mechanism are essentially the same in long covid and lyme - a population of aberrant white blood cells displaying antigens for much longer than they should - driving inflammation in the vasculature and tissues - and that this explains why the symptoms overlap is so large between these diseases. this is based on cutting edge scientific research by a reputable prominent researcher - and large scale randomised control trials are planned this year - so its only really out there as its such early days - and may or may not pan out in the coming months.

2, i am supporting a group of people over on Phoenix Rising - who are trailing a CFS treatment based on autovaccines for what are thought to be chronic bacterial infections / or dysbiosis in the urinary tract as the main cause of CFS. it seemed like the biggest thing over there in terms of new theories of what causes the disease - and i wanted to help them figure out if there is any truth in it so i offered to help facilitate a kind of informal open label case series type trial to see if we can see a clear signal one way or another. if its of interest you can do a search over there for "Markov Trials"