HealingWell
Search Close Search
☰

Andrographis herx which infection?

Support Forums
>
Lyme Disease
✚ New Topic ✚ Reply
❬ ❬ Previous Thread |Next Thread ❭ ❭
Posted 7/18/2024 10:59 PM (GMT -5)
My doc is pretty sure I have barb, bartonella, lyme. 3 of them or some but my lyme test became negative. As you know, Elisa and western blot tests are not very accurate. I have been mostly bedbound due to severity of my neurological situation. I have used bunch of herbs and antibiotics for 2 months. This process has been complete nightmare like I have already lost 50 iq. I have almost shown no herx to anything so far which made me question the existence of those infections and made me feel very miserable. Lately, I started to take andrographis which made me show huge herx in neurological way and night sweats started to increase. My question is that I know it works for lyme but does it also for babesia or bartonella? I couldn't have found many information regards to that. Some say it has antiparasitic activity so it may for babesia but I have to make sure. I have started to take atovaquane for babesia a week ago. They might have synergized I dont know. Plus, can you recommend me remeedies for specifically NEUROLOGICAL lyme, bartonella, babesia to deal with this nightmare of a condition?
Posted 7/20/2024 6:41 AM (GMT -5)
unfortunately, although certain herbs are often recommended for specific infections - the antimicrobial properties of herbs are typically quite broad - as a result of the many non-specific antimicrobial substances found inside them - so even though certain herbs are recommended for certain specific infections - in reality its very difficult to know which infection is driving a herx reaction.

overall symptoms can be one line of evidence that can point to which infection or infections may be present - but here again there is a great deal of overlap in symptoms patterns between these infections - and while we often read this of that symptoms is a sure fire sign of that infection - in reality i think it best to be prepared for the picture to be much more nuanced than that with more overlap than differences.

here is one chart, from a respected source, that attempts to show some of the similarities and differences
https://learn.invisible.international/babesiosis-bartonellosis-and-lyme-borreliosis-symptom-reference/
Posted 7/20/2024 6:47 AM (GMT -5)
my main CNS symptoms were headache, sound and light sensitivity, inability to tolerate stimulation - like driving, socialising etc

the only things that i found that seemed to help that in the early stages were some of the buhner herbs for the CNS
i took:
uncaria rhynchophylla
cats claw
japanese knotweed
chinese skullcap
andrographis

the was not a night and day difference initially - but over time it started to calm down

l-theanine helped keep me calm in the day and helped me sleep at night - which also helped - as without adequate quality sleep our brains cannot regulate properly - leading to more symptoms when we are awake

all the best
Posted 7/20/2024 2:39 PM (GMT -5)
I believe adrographis can be a mixed bag for some? Particularly with auto immune angles (I.e stimulating further self attack). Although it also has indicated uses for those too..

Have you ruled out ANA?

Someone correct me if I’m wrong here
Posted 7/21/2024 4:29 AM (GMT -5)
yes I've heard that andrographis can cause a bad reaction for some people
Posted 7/21/2024 5:40 AM (GMT -5)
Yes, some people have an allergic reaction to andrographis.

Buhner the respected herbalist says it occurs in around 1% of people

However he says this usually takes the form of a typical allergic rash of hives on the skin rather than typical herx like symptoms.

Of course we are all different so its possible that not all reactions will be exactly like this.
But logically they should still take the form of generally more allergic type symptoms rather than more common herx ones.

Though i would guess this could start to be difficult to fish apart if something like MCAS is involved.

The allergic reaction to andrographis is known to be long lasting. Taking several weeks to fully resolve - If it starts to resolve in a few days or a week its more likely herx.
✚ New Topic ✚ Reply