EBOO & Hyperbaric Treatments

EBOO is invasive in the sense that two IVs are started on both arms. It's like Ozone dialysis. Blood goes out one arm, goes through a filter, is ozonated, and returned to other arm. Personally, it kind of freaks me out to have so much of my blood going out of my body, through a system, and back into my body. I'd really have to trust the providers. I'm not sure about the side effects from the treatment itself, but I could see where it could cause a large herx in Lyme patients.

A less drastic option for ozone is to start with major autohemotherapy which is referred to as "one-pass". If tolerated you could up the ozone intensity with additional passes.

Hyperbaric oxygen chambers apparently require many sessions to potentially work. Everything I've read said the amount of sessions required to potentially achieve benefit would make it so it's possibly more cost effective to just buy a machine.

For example, I've read a minimum of 40 sessions 5 times a week should be administered. At around 80-100$ a pop that would be 3200-4000$. Even then more sessions might be required.

Food for thought

random646291)3 said...
I’ve heard that hyperbaric kills gram negative bacteria so it’s useful in the sense that you’ve finished an antibiotics course with acute lyme and your doctor just wants to make sure they got it all. Would I still need the 200 sessions? Also have you heard much about eboo for acute lyme? I know it relieves symptoms for chronic but my doctor says it boosts your immune system which is why it’d be good for me

Sorry, I think I can of wrote the math in my previous post weird. I meant 40 sessions minimum overall. Sessions performed 5 times a week. So five sessions weekly for eight weeks.

I've considered ozone and oxygen therapies so I've dove quite deep on these subjects, but I'm not an expert. Individual responses vary. I only emphasize the amount of hyperbaric sessions because sometimes people think they will do 10-20 sessions and be good. This doesn't seem to be the case from my readings.

As far as acute Lyme and EBOO I'm not sure. Acute Lyme is more treatable with standard antibiotic courses. I'd focus on that and healthy lifestyle. Other alternative treatments for acute Lyme I'd view as adjuncts.

What does EBOO stand for?

random646291)3 said...
Ohh 40 sessions makes more sense, I’ve seen more mixed responses on Hyperbaric than EBOO, most people say they wouldn’t recommend EBOO. I think both are more for chronic patients looking for temporary relief but it’s confusing why my doctor is saying I should do both. It makes me question giving them so much money this far just for them to do absolutely nothing for me besides getting tested for lyme and coinfections and getting me vitamin d pills. We had to pay $750 for their 60 day consult that includes 3 appointments and I got tested for $2000 for a bunch of different tests just to see where my health is at overall and they want to do the tests again in 2 months for another $2000. Plus EBOO which is $1500 they want me to do 3-4 sessions so $6000 and then Hyperbaric which they haven’t given a price for. They’re not even an llmd, just a random doctor clinic that doesn’t accept insurance and says they use holistic approaches yet doesn’t even know anything about the herbs i’m taking

Personally, I'd go to a LLMD if I'm paying out of pocket prices. The specialty Lyme labs charge an absurd amount for their tests IMO. Getting thorough testing for Lyme and co-infections through these labs can get into thousands of dollars which it seems you may be experiencing. What tests are you getting for that 2000$? Why do they want to repeat those tests in two months? Repeat testing after a couple months of treatment, especially at those costs, is not necessary. Good LLMDs treat by symptoms. The goal is to eliminate the symptoms and illness the disease costs. The goal isn't to make an absurdly expensive specialty lab test turn negative.

The tests are tick borne panel 2.0 and kmbo fit 176 test from vibrant wellness and then also some tests from labcorp that test my thyroid and all my vitamin levels and stuff. I mean I understand why they’re retesting because they’re putting me on a diet plan which I literally did not even ask for, I’m just cutting out gluten and eating healthy I guess. She says she thinks my eczema is caused by leaky gut which makes no sense because my eczema goes away when I go down south like I’m pretty sure it’s environmental and maybe slightly caused by what I eat because last year I water fasted for a week and my eczema didn’t flare up. I also have asthma caused by allergies and she tried saying it might be from an autoimmune disorder but like… it flares up during season changes so… the only thing the tests told me that I didn’t already know was that I have vitamin d deficiency. I already knew I was anemic and everything else was normal. I guess I’ll get a supplement for leaky gut even though I have no symptoms of it and she literally tested for it while I was on antibiotics which change your gut bacteria. I won’t buy it from their office though. I think getting retested for the tickborne panel will be good since I got tested 4 weeks after being bit so maybe some antibodies take longer than that to show up. I also tested IgG positive for strep which I didn’t know but makes sense since when I first got lyme I also had a sore throat and stuff. The lyme symptoms might’ve been strep all along besides the bullseye rash

Post Edited (random646291)3) : 8/12/2024 10:05:08 AM (GMT-8)

I want to emphasize I"m not a doctor so please don't take my word inerrant.

I must apologize because I missed in your original post where you said you had no symptoms. So your timeline is bullseye rash -> Doxy -> no symptoms. This means you are good! This is the desired result. Keep a look out for any symptoms creep back in. This would mean a relapse.

The adjunct things like EBOO and hyperbaric chamber are at your own discretion. Since your treatment was seemingly successful I would say they are unnecessary, but hey, it's your money and health.

I'd highly recommend against re-testing with Vibrant. It's a waste of money. Testing is done initially to aid in diagnosis. Frankly, in your case, since there was a bulls-eye rash lab testing is not needed. The bulls-eye rash is a definitive sign of infection. Lyme doctors who know what they are doing treat to symptom and disease expression which means that treatment is successful when one is in "remission" from symptoms.

if you have treated for over 1 month with antibiotics - and have no lyme symptoms you should be good to go

again - most people here are stuck with difficult to treat disease because they were not treated early - and not diagnosed until years later by which time they have a different form of hard to treat disease

we do not know that co-infections are more common than not in acute lyme disease patients
-not all ticks carry co-infections
-not all infections inside a tick are transmitted to each person they bite

we do know that most people who are ill for many years have co-infections - but that's not the same thing as saying most people who are bitten by a tick have co-infections - we don't have evidence that supports that

most people who have acute lyme that resolves with early treatment may not have had coinfections at all - or if they did they also resolved with early antibiotics before they became established - doxycycline covers many pathogens

overall - continuing treatment indefinitely out of fear of what might have happened - or might yet happen - is not an option.

there will always be practitioners out there ready to sell you more treatments - unfortunately there is an entire industry doing so out there

bare in mind also that many many more people get lyme than are ever diagnosed - many of these people resolve it on their own even without antibiotics and never even know what it was - its way more common than people think. its has been in our environment for millennia and healthy humans have pretty good defences to it.

what has happened has happened - at some point only you can decide where to draw the line and simply look after yourself so you immune system can continue to do what its designed to do and keep you well

good food
good sleep
manage stress
exercise

it may be time to start to disengage from this topic and worry and stress, by all mean be aware of the signs and symptoms to be mindful of - but focus on other things in your life.

i hope its of some help

all the best

I will do hyberbaric oxygen therapy soon. I can share my experiences. As far as I Recall it I have been tested positive on lyme and bartonella. Since antibiotics didnt Work to Well (or only short term) I am Looking left and right.

Cheers