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tiesto81
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Posted 6/13/2013 12:55 PM (GMT -5)
Ever since I've mentioned surgery more seriously as an option for UC, especially with this recent episode in the hospital (still here) my parents and older brother have been trying to get me to look into all these anti inflammatory diets. They are sending me websites to books from people that claimed to have cured UC (not the same as the SCD) as well as youtubed of this one guy that just juices and is in remission as a result.
I can't help but feel guilty that it pisses me off and I brush it off. I feel like the extreme changes in dietary restriction with juicing and SCD just doesn't seem like a quality of life. Plus I know it doesn't work for everyone. I know they mean well and are trying to do anything they can to have me forget about
surgery, it's just frustrating. I'm about
to send them an email showing positive experiences of j pouchers.
When I was a kid, my mom had panic attacks that turned out to be related to a heart condition. She ended up getting surgery to cure it and has been fine since. But in a way it reminds me of the fact that at the time my family told her she needed.to calm down and not stress out.
suebear
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Posted 6/13/2013 1:05 PM (GMT -5)
Yes, my mother and brother did the same to me too. My other brother, who works in the medical field, had a clue that diets wouldn't help; I was beyond diet help even though I did them all while sick. I think this behavior is normal, not helpful or wanted, but normal.
Sue
Pluot
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Posted 6/13/2013 1:14 PM (GMT -5)
Yes. Even to this day both of my parents make assumptions about
my diet -- either pushing foods on me that they think are "healthy" that would be very bad (e.g. high fiber, veggies with skins and seeds, etc) or passive aggressively warning me off of foods that are good for me (e.g. starches, meat, etc). My parents both have upper GI issues (not like us, but enough to cause discomfort) so their ideas of "problem foods" are completely different. They don't understand that spicy food causes me NO problem whatsoever... in fact with my ostomy it doesn't even burn on the way out, so in that sense I tolerate spicy food better than most healthy people.
Anyway... I think this is one of those things that you have to learn to let roll off your back. If my dad smirks at my meal I ignore it. If he offers me something I can't have I say "No thanks." Honestly my relationship with my parents has grown stronger in a lot of ways since I got sick but in others it's been probably the last step of "disillusionment" as I've grown from a child to an adult to know that they don't understand and in some ways don't respect what I've gone through. I've given up on explaining to my dad that I didn't get UC because of my diet. It hurts me that he still even subconsciously believes that I might have "done this to myself," but I try to focus on all of the other good parts of our relationship.
I might have gotten far afield and vented a bit too much but I guess the takeaway is... yeah, this happens to everyone, and it sucks. Sorry.
ByeByeUC
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Posted 6/13/2013 4:17 PM (GMT -5)
Yes. My hubby didn't like the thought Of me on all the drugs so he always wanted me to try some stupid diet. I tried a few. They didn't help. The SCD diet made me worse. Maybe I had a bad attitude towards it but I'm someone who believes diet isn't going to help a person with severe UC. Mild UC or even moderate, yes maybe but not someone like me who was really, really sick.
summerstorm
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Posted 6/13/2013 9:23 PM (GMT -5)
I don't remember family every trying to get me to try diets. I refused to do any of those crazy diets, I felt tiesto, doing all that and giving up all those foods was a big quality of life thing. How was giving up every food I could still eat that I liked a good thing? Even if it had helped the UC I would have just been sad because I missed out all the foods I liked.
I don't think that unless someone is willing to go all the way in with those things that they will help anyway, and they still might not then. If food can't bring on a flare, which is on the UC board all the time, then how can food keep away a flare?
tiesto81
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Posted 6/13/2013 10:40 PM (GMT -5)
Summerstorm I feel the same way. When it comes to limiting yourself from food to such a degree that you've effectively removed food as an enjoyable thing, well at that point quality of life seems greatly reduced. I don't want to live off juices of cabbage and eliminating so much.
Funny thing is my brother suggesting juicing was saying "well you'll still need to be on a strict diet after surgery. Sure, slipping may not cause a flare after the surgery is done but I don't think you'll just be able to eat normally."
ActiveUCer
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Posted 6/13/2013 11:13 PM (GMT -5)
My family never suggested a diet. They also didn't realize UC could be so serious until I landed in the hospital! I did try Paleo and started the SCD cleanse. The cleanse made me sick. Paleo did nothing.
Juicing has dangers. So much sugar could pull other water from your body and lead to more diarrhea. It's all back to that "everyone is different" thing.
I eat like I used to with TWO exceptions. I stay away from broccoli (I think it contributed to a partial blockage) but I don't like it anyway. The other problem is staying hydrated. I'm still getting the hand of it.
You will be limited with your food choices immediately after surgery. Basically it's all white carbs, non stringy meat (think chicken as opposed to steak), soups, popsicles, nut butters, and cheese. After six weeks you can start introducing the no no foods like fruits and vegetables. You might have trouble with certain things but your diet post surgery would definitely NOT be as limited as a UC prevention diet.
blueglass
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Posted 6/14/2013 6:26 AM (GMT -5)
Ugh, I was a vegetarian for many years, in the hospital with a bad flare, and my aunt was telling me to eat chicken, that I was sick because I was a vegetarian. I finally kind of yelled at her and said that I had one of the best IBD doctors around and didn't she think that if chicken was a cure for IBD that he might have realized it by now? She apologized and started crying and said she was just so worried about
me and felt so helpless.
I had a colleague I barely know emailing me days before surgery saying not to do it, that her acupuncturist knew how to cure Crohn's.
I got kind of sour on diets and alternative things for a while, because some folks blame you if it doesn't work for you..... and a lot of people have inflated ideas of what works, because the people it doesn't work for just move on....
Just a very tricky balance to figure out what parts of your health you can influence and what are out of your control. But "well meaning" people sure can cause some stress.... my take is that once I got to a certain point, my disease was just too severe, and the more i tried things that didn't work, the worse I got, and the harder it was for anything non-drastic to have a chance.... maybe earlier something could have tipped it, but I tried a lot of things, and if there was such a thing, I didn't find it in time.
summerstorm
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Posted 6/14/2013 1:24 PM (GMT -5)
Tiesto-you will definetly be able to have a normal diet after surgery! Be sure your brother sees you eating a nice big steak and a hot fudge sundae :) like has been said before, your diet is only limited at first. Most of us have one or two problem foods, but as a general rule it's anything in moderation.
When I went for my consult I asked my surgeon and he said "if you sit down and eat a whole head of raw cabbage, you might have problems. But if you don't have enough sense to not eat a whole head of cabbage, will then that's your own fault".
Somedude
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Posted 6/14/2013 2:38 PM (GMT -5)
Well, sometimes, extreme diet changes can bring upon remission for some.
Paul Nison had UC and transitioned to Raw Food diet and he's been "cured" for over 20 years. He wrote a super small book about
it.
Not my thing, I follow more the SCD diet type. It helps me a little.
Now the question you must ask yourself is, if diet cures or puts you in remission, is it worth giving up all the food you love for that?
Diet requires commitment and a lot of sacrifice, life style changes. It's difficult, I don't think I can sustain something like that long term. Buuuuuut, some can.
Pluot
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Posted 6/14/2013 6:06 PM (GMT -5)
The reason people love diet so much as a treatment is becuase they think it's no-risk. People fear the outcome of surgery, they don't fear the outcome of going gluten free -- particularly because they can go back to eating gluten whenever they darn well please.
I'm glad that diet helps some people manage symptoms and I believe it does, but I have nothing but disrespect for people who push diets and claim to be "cured." It's irresponsible to dangle false hope in front of sick people, especially when that false hope makes them delay or refuse more legitimate treatments. It's not IBD, but as an example, I used to have a very new-age-y co-worker who said that before accepting chemo/radiation/surgery for a cancer diagnosis, she would explore all of the alternative therapies and diets first. She refused to listen to everyone, doctors included, who told her if the alternative therapies failed she would DIE waiting to try proven therapies. IBD isn't as deadly but it's known that mild inflammation is far easier to reverse than severe and extensive disease, which is what you run the risk of developing if you refuse treatment in favor of eating bowls of raw kale and quinoa like a certain Crohn's patient with a TED talk espouses. I'm getting angry. Anyway.
ActiveUCer
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Posted 6/14/2013 6:11 PM (GMT -5)
A whole head of cabbage? Hmmm...
Pluot
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Posted 6/14/2013 6:33 PM (GMT -5)
Lol, go for it, for your blockage "research"
NiceCupOfTea
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Posted 6/16/2013 9:51 AM (GMT -5)
No, my family have never once tried to push diet onto me, in all the years I had Crohn's disease. Once every few months my dad goes wheat-free in an attempt to solve an intermittent itch/skin problem. It never works and he abandons it after a few weeks. That's about
as far as either parent has ever gone in for diet modification.
I'm the one who knows all the wacky diets. I've done gluten-free, liquid, and elemental, and none made the blindest bit of difference. The elemental diet actually made me more ill. I was not encouraged to go onto to try SCD, or whatever. It's quite simple: diet has become synonymous with virtue in the western world. The more strict your diet, the more 'virtuous' you are. In my opinion, that's the real reason why so many are desperate for diet to work. They want to be 'clean', 'pure', all that sort of thing that religious people used to aspire to.
Incidentally, my brother also has Crohn's disease. He has never followed any special diet and in 15 years he has never had surgery and is in remission for long periods of time. Not on many meds either, only azathioprine.
killcolitis
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Posted 6/16/2013 10:21 AM (GMT -5)
NCOT, I agree with you. I've spend a lot of time on alternative/diet boards and I do believe that a good amount of the "healthy" followers of some of these diets (raw vegan, paleo) have orthorexia or some other eating/psychological disorder as I think it's abnormal to be so fixated on one's own heath and diet.
But, since I'm the parent of a child with IBD my perspective is totally different. I've tried a lot of alternatives with her and with some success (not sustained unfortunately). That's because I'm in favour of the most benign treatments for my child obviously. Having said that, when she was on paleo this winter, she told me that she would rather have surgery than eat that way (we were all on the diet and the food was great but it had a huge impact on her socially). Now, she doesn't know the risks of surgery nor that it might be crohns etc just that surgery will help her feel better. That weight is mine and it puts me, as usual, in the crappy position of trying to weigh her serious health issue, side effects of meds/radical surgery and her psychological well being/wishes. I know it's not your situation but it's most likely that if you're family is suggesting dietary intervention to you it's because they're worried about
the drugs/surgery. If they're blaming you for your UC implicitly, however (I can see that happening, I even blame myself for my daughter's disease even though she eat home made organic veggie food from the beginning I can always find a reason to blame myself - I gave her whole wheat! I gave her dairy! etc) then that's another story..
NiceCupOfTea
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Posted 6/16/2013 11:03 AM (GMT -5)
How old is your daughter if you don't mind my asking? It sounds like she's young enough that you have to make the decision for her to have surgery and that must be a tough burden to bear. I don't have any easy answers, except to wait it out until she's old enough to make up her own mind if possible. Does she know, for example, that she'll have to wear a bag for at least a few months? (Or possibly a few years - I am not sure about
this, but I think you have to be of a certain age before you can have a j-pouch.)
The trouble with most dietary suggestions is that most of them are nonsense. Juicing, for example. Or, to a Crohn's person with strictures, raw vegetables. I have little patience with well-meaning but ignorant suggestions.
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