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Posted 1/27/2018 8:21 AM (GMT -5)
Now the common, recent research says that regular m-sturbation can aid prostate health and even possibly prevent cancer, however I just need clarification over this because to me this doesn't make sense.

If m-sturbation and sexual activity can increase your PSA level then surely it makes sense that that would then increase your risk of getting cancer...right? Higher the PSA, higher the risk of cancer. So if men are m-sturbating very regularly like I have been over a lifetime then surely you are constantly INCREASING your PSA level not decreasing it.

So how/why do people conclude that regular m-sturbation is recommended for protecting your prostate?
Posted 1/27/2018 9:39 AM (GMT -5)
It is my understanding that PSA does not cause the cancer. PSA is an indicator of something going on in the prostate. BPH, Infection, Ejaculation or PCa.

Roger
Posted 1/27/2018 9:42 AM (GMT -5)
I don't know the answer to your last sentence. But the premise you are using is incorrect. Mturbation increases PSA only because the prostate (not the cancer) is stimulated to throw off more PSA. A healthy prostate always throws off PSA, the act of msturbating, just increases it. And for a very short period of time, like 72 hours at most
This also goes back to the fact that many people forget. High PSA doesn't indicate cancer, it indicates something is going on, that's all. It could be inflammation, BPH, etc.

Hope this clears up some of your confusion
Posted 1/27/2018 10:27 AM (GMT -5)
A bit of clarification might help. One of the main purposes of the prostate in a healthy male is to produce PSA. It's not an indicator, much less a cause, of prostate cancer. Making PSA is what your prostate was designed to do. But it's supposed to go in your semen and not be released in your blood stream. Semen contains huge amounts of the stuff. It acts to reduce the viscosity of mucus, in particular to allow sperm to penetrate the mucus plug that closes the cervix.

There are two things that can cause PSA to leak into your blood. One is sex. A great deal of PSA is produced and emitted into your semen and some of that "piping" leaks. The other thing that can cause it is something wrong with your prostate. Prostate cancer is the most obvious cause of PSA release into the blood, but infections, inflammation, jostling, and over growth can do it as well.

So, while PSA can indicate prostate cancer, it doesn't cause it and a release of a bit of PSA into the blood during sex is harmless. There are other things that tend to accumulate in prostate tissues -- things that cause inflammation, or foster the growth of bacteria -- and flushing them out with frequent ejaculation appears to be good for your prostate overall.
Posted 1/27/2018 11:08 AM (GMT -5)
Ok thank you everyone for clearing that up, I understand better now.

One other thing though, what exactly does the PSA tell you though in detail? Is it just simply a number and then from that number, if it's higher than it should be, you go for additional tests.

Or can you tell exactly what is wrong or what the cause is, purely from a PSA test score? Does it indicate what could be wrong i.e. whether it's infection, cancer or BHP or something else?

In other words, say you got a high PSA score, in order to know what the actual cause for that is, you would need further testing?
Posted 1/27/2018 11:11 AM (GMT -5)
I have read that too, that frequent ejaculation, in addition to feeling wonderful, might have good and bad consequences depending on age. The good would be the flushing results mentioned; the bad might be frequent irritation to the prostate from overuse, especially in older men. Even if they stopped for 72 hours before their PSA test, that might not be enough time to calm the prostate, resulting in higher PSA.
Posted 1/27/2018 11:17 AM (GMT -5)

winglets said...
Ok thank you everyone for clearing that up, I understand better now.

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In other words, say you got a high PSA score, in order to know what the actual cause for that is, you would need further testing?

That is the answer.
Posted 1/27/2018 11:21 AM (GMT -5)

hrpufnstuf said...
I have read that too, that frequent ejaculation, in addition to feeling wonderful, might have good and bad consequences depending on age. The good would be the flushing results mentioned; the bad might be frequent irritation to the prostate from overuse, especially in older men. Even if they stopped for 72 hours before their PSA test, that might not be enough time to calm the prostate, resulting in higher PSA.

I have thought about this and often think whether my daily m-sturbation (on average) over my entire life time could possibly be excessive and therefore in turn caused me to have a larger prostate than usual (for someone of my age at 34). I know earlier, you guys said that there's no real link between m and prostate related problems but overuse might cause irritation at least? I'm worried.
Posted 1/27/2018 12:13 PM (GMT -5)

winglets said...

hrpufnstuf said...
I know earlier, you guys said that there's no real link between m and prostate related problems but overuse might cause irritation at least? I'm worried.

You can't undo what is done. It is in the past. Decide how you want to go forward, and do that. Pointless to worry about the past.
Posted 1/27/2018 1:04 PM (GMT -5)
master bation does not cause irritation. And it does not cause prostate enlargement - that's caused by a condition called BPH. Sex is what your prostate evolved to help with and the more sex you have, alone or with company, the better your prostate health.
Posted 1/27/2018 1:07 PM (GMT -5)

winglets said...

hrpufnstuf said...
I have read that too, that frequent ejaculation, in addition to feeling wonderful, might have good and bad consequences depending on age. The good would be the flushing results mentioned; the bad might be frequent irritation to the prostate from overuse, especially in older men. Even if they stopped for 72 hours before their PSA test, that might not be enough time to calm the prostate, resulting in higher PSA.

but overuse might cause irritation at least? I'm worried.

That article was simply speculation. I don't give it much credence. A lot of these papers are simply making could be/might be statements.
Posted 1/27/2018 2:08 PM (GMT -5)

Tall Allen said...
..... Sex is what your prostate evolved to help with and the more sex you have, alone or with company, the better your prostate health.

really ? I should of had the one, if not the healthiest prostate in Canada ! Maybe that's why I was lucky to ONLY get PCA with a GS 3 + 4 .....
Posted 1/27/2018 2:59 PM (GMT -5)
Ravineman -

You may be interested in the following study:

"the hazard ratio for PCa incidence for ≥21 compared to 4–7 ejaculations per month was 0.81 for frequency at age 20–29 yr and 0.78 for frequency at age 40–49 yr. "

Ejaculation Frequency and Risk of Prostate Cancer
Posted 1/27/2018 4:57 PM (GMT -5)
It would be interesting to know the rate of PCa by religion. Catholicism always took the stand that anything that was not strictly for reproduction was wrong. Thus mast. was strictly verboten and you could end up in the netherworld for such a thing. Back then it was considered "self abuse." Same thing with premarital relations.

In any event it would be very interesting to see if there was a correlation.
Posted 1/27/2018 5:06 PM (GMT -5)
OK guys.....get a copy of this study to your wife, significant other, and anyone else you have designs on...PRONTO smile
Posted 1/27/2018 5:18 PM (GMT -5)

PeterDisAbelard. said...
A bit of clarification might help.....The other thing that can cause it is something wrong with your prostate. Prostate cancer is the most obvious cause of PSA release into the blood, but infections, inflammation, jostling, and over growth can do it as well.

Would that, then, lend credence to the suggestion that some early BCR or persistent PSA may be the result of inflammation, scarring, or other irritation from primary radiation or surgery?
Posted 1/27/2018 5:43 PM (GMT -5)
Garyi-

After surgery, there is no prostate to inflame, scar or irritate. (Scarring is from fibroblasts, not prostate glandular cells) PSA jumps up when the tissues are cut and cells die, but that source ends quickly. After all the extra PSA clears from the bloodstream after prostatectomy (half-life 2-3 days), PSA should be undetectable. Post-Radiation is entirely different story - it can take several years for PSA to get low, and will never completely vanish. Prostatitis can certainly increase PSA post-radiation.
Posted 1/27/2018 5:55 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks, TA.
Posted 1/27/2018 6:21 PM (GMT -5)

PeterDisAbelard. said...
A bit of clarification might help. One of the main purposes of the prostate in a healthy male is to produce PSA. It's not an indicator, much less a cause, of prostate cancer. Making PSA is what your prostate was designed to do. But it's supposed to go in your semen and not be released in your blood stream. Semen contains huge amounts of the stuff. It acts to reduce the viscosity of mucus, in particular to allow sperm to penetrate the mucus plug that closes the cervix.

There are two things that can cause PSA to leak into your blood. One is sex. A great deal of PSA is produced and emitted into your semen and some of that "piping" leaks. The other thing that can cause it is something wrong with your prostate. Prostate cancer is the most obvious cause of PSA release into the blood, but infections, inflammation, jostling, and over growth can do it as well.

So, while PSA can indicate prostate cancer, it doesn't cause it and a release of a bit of PSA into the blood during sex is harmless. There are other things that tend to accumulate in prostate tissues -- things that cause inflammation, or foster the growth of bacteria -- and flushing them out with frequent ejaculation appears to be good for your prostate overall.

Very interesting. Never .thought if it that way.

I bet as a kid, you never thought you'd grow up to be an expert on the chemistry of semen turn
Posted 1/27/2018 8:09 PM (GMT -5)

pratoman said...
I bet as a kid, you never thought you'd grow up to be...

I can think of several responses but, as a moderator I'd have to scold myself so I'll stand mute.
Posted 1/27/2018 9:31 PM (GMT -5)
LOLOLOL
Posted 1/28/2018 2:45 PM (GMT -5)
Well while we are in a jovial mood about this topic I relayed it to my wife of 56 years. She says after 56 years and this thing is kind of broken, Why am I working overtime trying to resurrect it. Any of you feel the same way? Have to get it fixed and keep it going?
Posted 1/28/2018 3:53 PM (GMT -5)

oldbeek said...
Why am I working overtime trying to resurrect it. Any of you feel the same way?


Heck no!

If you are 76, I'm 18-years your junior...but heck no! Sex is a beautiful source of enjoyment, sharing and love...and it's good for one's physical and mental health. I'm enjoying more now (more and better) than ever before in my life. I suppose [sigh] that sometime there will come a time...but not for a long, long time. OK, this is off from the original topic of masterbation (sp) but I think this is the way you were headed, too...

Post Edited (NKinney) : 1/28/2018 2:10:20 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/28/2018 5:29 PM (GMT -5)

Pratoman said...



I bet as a kid, you never thought you'd grow up to be an expert on the chemistry of semen

As a kid, I though semen were guys in the Navy x yeah
Posted 1/28/2018 8:51 PM (GMT -5)
I`m 69 and I`m working hard on resurrection................~D
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