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Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 2/12/2019 10:56 AM (GMT -5)
Hi everyone,
I am new here and writing this for my father who is 80 years of age and has BPH with prostate 103 grams. Doctor has suggested to go for TURP.
Is TURP good to go at the age of 80?
Please advise.
InTheShop
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Posted 2/12/2019 12:33 PM (GMT -5)
Welcome to HW.
Age alone isn't a factor. Overall health, ability to tolerate the procedure, and benefit at the things to look at.
At 80, in good health. Likely he'd be just fine.
but I'm just some random guy on the internet. If the doctor is recommending it, then likely it's just fine.
Andrew
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 2/12/2019 12:43 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks Andrew.
Yes, the doctor is saying that it is fine to have the surgery but just wanted to check if any of our esteemed members here has undergone it at the said age.
Post Edited (Abhinav_Malhotra) : 2/12/2019 11:33:51 AM (GMT-7)
InTheShop
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Posted 2/12/2019 1:28 PM (GMT -5)
I personally know a few men in their late 70's that have had that procedure.
He'll be fine.
TURP isn't used to treat prostate cancer, so I'm not sure many here would have had it.
Andrew
garyi
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Posted 2/12/2019 3:35 PM (GMT -5)
I've had a TURP, and at 80, and in good health, I don't think I'd sign up for one. There are other, less invasive options. PAE is one interesting option. https://www.radiology.ca/article/prostate-surgery-there-alternative-turp-0
GreenLight Laser PVP (Photoselective Vaporization of the Prostate) is another possible option. It's a procedure used in the treatment of (BPH), and it doesn't have to be called GreenLight (a marketing term).
According to Johns Hopkins Health alert
s, a recent study found that HoLEP has better long-term results than TURP. For the study, researchers followed up with 31 of 61 men who had participated in an earlier evaluation that compared HoLEP vs TURP. Fourteen of the men in the follow-up study had been treated with HoLEP and seventeen with TURP.
The HoLEP procedure is considered a minimally invasive alternative to TURP. Men who received HoLEP had less time using a catheter and reported shorter hospital stays, minimal blood loss, and fewer requirements to repeat the procedure compared to TURP. Side effects and symptoms after the first year were similar between the two study groups, and both procedures caused retrograde ejaculation, or dry climax.
So there very well may be better choices, especially for an 80 year old man, Do some research and be sure to research your doctor or surgeon’s level of training and experience before having any procedure. I's important to be certain you thoroughly understand the potential benefits and risks of any procedure. For what it's worth, many, including me, consider TURP to be a rather barbaric prostate rotor-rooter scoop procedure. It's use has dramatically fallen in recent years.
Welcome to HW, and good luck helping your father.
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 3/18/2019 2:48 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks garyi.
Hi Everyone,
My dad had his TURP done a week ago and the surgery went well.
A question that is bothering me : Dad had the prostate size of 113 grams and the PSA was around 21(with 25% Free PSA) at the time of TURP. He had the 12 core biopsy done an year ago and it was negative(with the blessings of the god) with only BPH.
The TURP sample has been sent for biopsy. Please help with the information that does BPH cause the PSA to reach 21. I am really worried about
the biopsy report as the PSA was high(21).
Please help.
InTheShop
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Posted 3/18/2019 3:01 PM (GMT -5)
It is possible for BPH to be responsible for that. Hopefully the biopsy report will confirm that for you.
Also, the TURP will cause the PSA to be high for a while. It will take some time for that to come back down.
Do keep us updated,
Andrew
garyi
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Posted 3/18/2019 3:14 PM (GMT -5)
What Andrew said, above. Glad your dad handled the TURP well.
You'll have the pathology report in a few days. Try to get a detailed copy directly from the lab or hospital immediately, so you'll be better prepared to review later, with the doctor. Sharing it with us, might be a good idea, and try not to worry.
halbert
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Posted 3/18/2019 3:15 PM (GMT -5)
An important thing to note as well, is that if the pathology does come back with PC, it will most likely be low grade--and at 80, unlikely to be more than an irritant. You'll have him around for a while, and he'll likely die of something else.
Where are you located?
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 3/18/2019 4:13 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you Andrew,garyi and Halbert.
We are based in New Delhi, India.
His PSA usually hovers around 8 with anti-biotics but when he stops them it rises.
2 questions please:
In PCa, does PSA come down with antibiotics?
Secondly, he had the biopsy 1 year ago, is there a possibility of PCa to come up in just one year.
Thanks in advance. You all have been very supportive.
InTheShop
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Posted 3/18/2019 4:26 PM (GMT -5)
PSA due to PC does not come down with antibiotics. If his PSA falls with antibiotics that's a clear sign that the PSA is due to infection and not PC.
PC is a very slow growing cancer and unlike to appear with in a year. However, biopsies do sometimes miss PC.
Even with that, at 80, and at his PSA, it's unlikely they will find anything that needs more treatment and likely all he needed was the TURP.
Andrew
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 3/19/2019 12:37 AM (GMT -5)
Thank you so much Andrew.
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 8/11/2019 12:50 PM (GMT -5)
Hi dear members,
I have a question please.
As I mentioned the last time, we had the reports of the biopsy for the prostate sample taken during the prostate surgery.
The report was negative(with the grace of god).
We had the PSA test done about
a fortnight ago(about
4 months after the surgery) but the PSA is still around 10.
Please advise me as the PSA did not come down.
142
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Posted 8/11/2019 4:22 PM (GMT -5)
You mentioned that the pre-TURP PSA was 21, now it is 10 but it didn't come down?
I am confused.
Perhaps you mean it did not come down as much as you hoped?
A TURP clears the urethra. It likely raised the PSA for a while as an irritant, but it is not a treatment for any basic PCa he might have.
But a PSA of 10 for someone that age, a recent clean biopsy, but general prostate issues would not ring any serious alarm bells to me. Another test in some months would give you a path of increase / decrease.
I would not be worrying at this point.
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 8/11/2019 4:44 PM (GMT -5)
Yes 142.
That is what I meant that it did not come down to the extent that I was expecting.
I read about
this a lot and concluded that after the surgery it comes down between 0.1-0.5, so that is the cause of my worry.
142
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Posted 8/11/2019 5:09 PM (GMT -5)
If there had been a total prostate removal, yes, the PSA would over time come down in the best cases to virtually zero. But a TURP only removes enough tissue to allow proper urine flow. The prostate remains.
The irritated / aggravated prostate is healing from the TURP, but it is still throwing off higher than normal levels of PSA. The docs will likely start talking about
some antibiotics if you insist on treatment. If the PSA comes down, BPH remains a possible cause.
And remember that a PSA of 4 with a fairly recent clear biopsy (and the clear results from the TURP) in an 80 year old is not unusual.
So test again in a few months. Until then, I don't see an issue.
Abhinav_Malhotra
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Posted 8/11/2019 9:39 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you so much, 142.
I will get the PSA done again in a month and let you all know about
the result(Hope it lowers down).
garyi
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Posted 8/12/2019 10:45 AM (GMT -5)
If you dad is feeling and peeing well, I don't think you have much to worry about
, AM. You you know what the revised size of his prostate was, after the TURP?
gmoose2
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Posted 8/13/2019 10:17 AM (GMT -5)
An interesting side note...
I had a TURP done 4 yrs ago at age 54. Last month, I had another set of scans done, and the bone scan interpreter thought I had my prostate surgically removed, which I had not. My MO explained that the TURP had removed so much of my prostate, that the reader mistook it for having been done as a surgical choice. I was naturally worried about
such a bad misreading and even was concerned that the doctor was maybe not looking at the right scans. I've had probably 5 sets of scans after the TURP and none had ever made that misreading before.
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