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Posted 7/10/2020 4:34 PM (GMT -5)
California, Florida, Texas, Arizona - apparently the virus is indifferent to the heat. CV seems to be an oddball.
Maybe it will not do well through a full winter. 😉
Posted 7/10/2020 11:34 PM (GMT -5)
Im thinking the same thing mattam...who knows
Posted 7/11/2020 3:17 AM (GMT -5)
We're getting an increase again in Washington State, so the governor mandated masks for everyone. It makes me feel a whole lot safer going out on essential trips to the grocery store when everyone is wearing a mask.

Those who say "It is my right to not wear a mask in public" is about as logical as saying "I have a right to drive drunk" Either way, you're putting others at risk by your behavior.
Posted 7/11/2020 6:06 AM (GMT -5)

mattam said...
California, Florida, Texas, Arizona - apparently the virus is indifferent to the heat. CV seems to be an oddball.

This also ties in to the emerging theory that there is airborne spread of the virus through microscopic particles that remain in poorly ventilated air for hours. As the outside temperature has heated up more of us are indoors in the air conditioning. Unlike planes, where new air is constantly brought in, most retail establishments simply recirculate the air perhaps leading to also recirculating the virus. Makes sense.

Jim
Posted 7/11/2020 6:52 AM (GMT -5)
In my opinion, any building with a shared air conditioning system is risky. It doesn't matter if you're six, or ten, or twenty, feet from someone infected - the a/c system moves droplets from surface to surface, or in the air itself. That's exactly what Chinese researchers found out.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article

I remember reading of how the Chinese were taping up air ducts in hotels, and the like, to stop this from happening.
Posted 7/11/2020 1:46 PM (GMT -5)
I think this issue has been discussed somewhere here before, but here it is again.

Are people going to dentists for anything more than emergencies? I cancelled the latest of my 3x/year cleanings in June, but as a result of damage to my salivary glands from neck rads in 2009 I need to be extra careful about mouth bacteria. My teeth are all fine, I've taken good care of them all my life, but an extraction in my situation could be very dangerous.

Sooner or later - maybe sooner - I'm gonna need a cleaning. But I'm really afraid of being in a windowless room in which others have sat with their mouths open for 45 minutes. Maybe if I could get the first appt of the day?

Thoughts?

David
Posted 7/11/2020 1:54 PM (GMT -5)
news has been announcing for two days that trump will be photographed wearing a mask today
Posted 7/11/2020 1:56 PM (GMT -5)

2019Guy said...
I think this issue has been discussed somewhere here before, but here it is again.

Are people going to dentists for anything more than emergencies? I cancelled the latest of my 3x/year cleanings in June, but as a result of damage to my salivary glands from neck rads in 2009 I need to be extra careful about mouth bacteria. My teeth are all fine, I've taken good care of them all my life, but an extraction in my situation could be very dangerous.

Sooner or later - maybe sooner - I'm gonna need a cleaning. But I'm really afraid of being in a windowless room in which others have sat with their mouths open for 45 minutes. Maybe if I could get the first appt of the day?

Thoughts?

David

my wife broke a tooth. she had to go to another dentist to get it extracted. i get my teeth cleaned every three months alternating between my periodontist and my regular dentist. neither have contacted me for a cleaning but i will call next week.
Posted 7/11/2020 1:58 PM (GMT -5)

mattam said...
California, Florida, Texas, Arizona - apparently the virus is indifferent to the heat. CV seems to be an oddball.
Maybe it will not do well through a full winter. 😉

wait. i see what you did there.
Posted 7/11/2020 2:32 PM (GMT -5)

2019Guy said...
I think this issue has been discussed somewhere here before, but here it is again.

Are people going to dentists for anything more than emergencies? I cancelled the latest of my 3x/year cleanings in June, but as a result of damage to my salivary glands from neck rads in 2009 I need to be extra careful about mouth bacteria. My teeth are all fine, I've taken good care of them all my life, but an extraction in my situation could be very dangerous.

Sooner or later - maybe sooner - I'm gonna need a cleaning. But I'm really afraid of being in a windowless room in which others have sat with their mouths open for 45 minutes. Maybe if I could get the first appt of the day?

Thoughts?

David

David, I went to a long overdue dental appointment a couple of weeks ago (with some trepidation). Here is what I found. They told me to wait in my car until I was called. When they called me I went straight to the exam room w/o stopping in the waiting room. The hygienist (supposedly) took 1/2 hour between patients to thoroughly clean the room. She had on an N95 mask + a surgical mask + a face shield. When she cleaned my teeth she used the old pick to remove the tartar rather than the electric thingy that sprays saliva into the air. I had my mask on walking in and walking out. Everyone not being worked on, i.e. all employees and patients had masks on. I stopped briefly at the desk on the way out to sign the bill with a (supposedly) recently disinfected pen. I don't know what else they could have done to keep me safe. I was nervous but some things must go on...I'm just trying to be as careful as we can w/o being nuts.

Jim
Posted 7/11/2020 2:48 PM (GMT -5)
David, did you see the Saturday section in today's LA Times? There was a first person account of one of the writers going to the dentist, which I thought was interesting.

As for myself, I had a cleaning appointment last month, which I planned on cancelling. But when I read about the procedures my dentist was taking I decided to keep it since it seemed quite safe. Unfortunately, my dentist ended up cancelled on me instead since they can only take half the patients due to the cleaning times.
Posted 7/11/2020 3:51 PM (GMT -5)

2019Guy said...
I think this issue has been discussed somewhere here before, but here it is again.

Are people going to dentists for anything more than emergencies? I cancelled the latest of my 3x/year cleanings in June, but as a result of damage to my salivary glands from neck rads in 2009 I need to be extra careful about mouth bacteria. My teeth are all fine, I've taken good care of them all my life, but an extraction in my situation could be very dangerous.

Sooner or later - maybe sooner - I'm gonna need a cleaning. But I'm really afraid of being in a windowless room in which others have sat with their mouths open for 45 minutes. Maybe if I could get the first appt of the day?

Thoughts?

David

I think you hit the nail on the head re: a windowless room where others have had their mouths open for what could be hours, especially if you're a later in the day appointment, and have had several ahead of you. Respiratory droplets float in the air for hours, so, to me, no matter how well the dentist office cleans, how do they deal with that? I suppose they could use different rooms - alternate patients from room to room.

I'm not going unless I've an emergency, which is easy since my dentist isn't doing any procedures, unless they are emergencies. My wife needs some work done (she has a temporary crown on) but is waiting. My son had part of a tooth come out after eating a bagel. The tooth already had a root canal, so was dead, but it was in front, so he had little choice, as he looked like a pirate, or a bum, take your pick. He just lost his job two weeks ago, and will be looking soon, missing part of a tooth doesn't cut it does it?
Posted 7/11/2020 4:33 PM (GMT -5)
My dad never had a cavity in his life. My mom had dentures by the time she was 30. I landed somewhere in between. If I didn't stay on top of my tooth care I would likely lose them.

ALARA = As low as reasonably achievable. A favorite acronym of risk management people. The idea is to minimize one's exposure to a hazard within a reasonable framework. I suppose we could isolate ourselves in a bomb shelter for the next two or three years, but taking some reasonable precautions will work just about as well.

My teeth are pretty important, so as per Tudpock, I'm going to my dental appointment this month - though I'm not happy about it.
Posted 7/11/2020 7:57 PM (GMT -5)
What about UV lights to kill the virus in the air AND on surfaces between cases, and/or UV in the ventilation?

I have a battery operated UV light for backpacking that sterilizes contaminated water.
Posted 7/11/2020 10:12 PM (GMT -5)
I went to my six month cleaning two weeks ago and returned last week to have a couple of cavities tended to. Everything seemed reasonably safe to me as the schedule is slowed down, they take temps, have two sets of pens, used and cleaned, and have two people working on me when the ultrasonic cleaning is done and they suck everything out. I assume they follow published dental guidelines from what I observed

I went to the clinic lab to get some standard blood tests done for my annual physical last week and it was a ghost town as they space things out now also. I felt like the risk was minimal at best.

But then I go to Home Depot, Target, etc. occasionally which seems more risky to me. I currently don’t have any active problems and have had all my vaccinations, etc. It actually feels more normal to do some of these “normal” things then to hide out in the bunker. On the other hand, if your immune system is compromised, more care is warranted but you can’t do it forever and have to pick your battles more carefully.
Posted 7/12/2020 11:21 AM (GMT -5)
Texas.......


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/texas-coronavirus-deaths-morgues-capacity/
Posted 7/12/2020 11:26 AM (GMT -5)
Florida....

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-sunday-july-12-20200712-y2o2d2s6xbdgbdjag7mdx7g3u4-story.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2ohfuazcm
Posted 7/12/2020 11:27 AM (GMT -5)
Arizona....

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506855-arizona-county-requests-refrigerated-trucks-as-morgues-hit-97-capacity
Posted 7/12/2020 11:37 AM (GMT -5)
California...….

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/california-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-death-toll-record
Posted 7/12/2020 4:26 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks for the thoughtful replies, gents. Need to ponder this one.
David
Posted 7/12/2020 4:27 PM (GMT -5)

Michael_T said...
David, did you see the Saturday section in today's LA Times? There was a first person account of one of the writers going to the dentist, which I thought was interesting.

As for myself, I had a cleaning appointment last month, which I planned on cancelling. But when I read about the procedures my dentist was taking I decided to keep it since it seemed quite safe. Unfortunately, my dentist ended up cancelled on me instead since they can only take half the patients due to the cleaning times.

Yeah, Michael, I did. I've also heard tales from others. Uh-boy.
Posted 7/12/2020 5:14 PM (GMT -5)
David - I echo the assurances of others above. We're retired, have been even so cautious in everything. I have a great dentist and did have teeth cleaned a month ago. Protocols were as outlined above. I think in the range of risks of all kinds we face daily, this is a minor one. My single suggestion is the question the office about the details of their protocol. I don't know that every office is as thorough as I experienced.

Best to you
Wilderness.
Posted 7/12/2020 5:38 PM (GMT -5)

F8 said...
Texas.......


https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/texas-coronavirus-deaths-morgues-capacity/

What is so sad, is that something can be done about this....but nothing is being done.
Posted 7/12/2020 5:47 PM (GMT -5)

F8 said...
Florida....

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-sunday-july-12-20200712-y2o2d2s6xbdgbdjag7mdx7g3u4-story.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz2ohfuazcm

Just horrible. I could never imagine 15,000+ cases in one day in Florida or any other state. New York State, worst day was 7000+ cases back in April. Its well documented that we got it under control. How long that will last depends on how loose the citizenry becomes, and i fear the answer. But the point is, something can be one about this. NY had ZERO deaths yesterday from COVID. This didnt happen because we got lucky. But that seems to be what the leadership in Florida and elsewhere is counting on.
Posted 7/12/2020 6:21 PM (GMT -5)
Mayor of Phoenix said:

"We opened way too early in Arizona. We were one of the last states to go to stay at home and one of the first to reemerge. We had crowded nightclubs handing out free champagne, no masks. Our 20- to 44-year-olds, which is my own demographic, really led the explosion, and we've seen such growth in that area. We're seeing a lot of people go to large family gatherings and infect their family members."

I still marvel at the astonishing level of stupidity. The Governor did close the bars again -- until July 27 anyway. If maxed out ICUs don't convince people to take the CV seriously, maybe the image of a string of refrigerated trucks containing overflow bodies will make an impression.
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