Questions about sugar and dairy products

See links below. The Ornish Lifestyle Medicine Program includes exercise, stress management NS also a Whole Foods plant based diet with no oils. Obviously, dairy and sugar are eliminated.

There is controversy around the program, his studies are generally small. Also, this study applies to early stage PCa that is G7 or less.
With that said, I can tell you this is real, not bs hyperbole. I have been on the program for 5 1/2 weeks now (for its effect on coronary artery disease, not PCa, but the program is the same) . Including 4 hour zoom meetings 2x weekly. My results, based on numbers have been terrific. My bp is down 20 points, I am off 1 bp med (Amlodipine) and have now reduced my second bp med (Losartan) dosage by half. My fasting blood glucose is down about 15 points. And I’ve lost 20 pounds. Energy levels much higher.

So for me, food is indeed medicine and the wrong foods, even in moderation, is poison. Sugar fits that bill, and for some, dairy might as well.

JMHO


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16094059/

https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/treating-advanced-prostate-cancer-with-diet/

Wayne - I watch sugar (and carbs) to keep diabetes at bay, PCa may be a side benefit. There is sugar in everything and fruit is about the only thing that is passable because the good may outweigh the bad. Black coffee, shredded wheat & Cheerios, almonds, and unsweetened soy milk are my diet mainstays. Add some tuna and salmon in weekly along with a low carb/alcohol beer and that is about all I can handle I do not want die as. You do get used to about anything if you just make it happen for an extended period.

Much emphasis on 'sugar'. Note though that starch is converted to glucose in our digestive system.

Mainly plant-based diet here, lean meats in moderation, reduced - fat dairy, lots of fruits & vegetables, whole grains only - no refined carbohydrates. Alcohol in moderation, cannabis (flower vapor only, with durable medical device) as needed. Serious daily exercise, decent sleep and low stress lifestyle. I hope that all helps with PCa, but will continue standard medical interventions as needed.

I don’t eat much meat because I generally don’t like it (of course pepperoni pizza is my exception). I actually eat my cereal with water and it’s just fine. I like ice cream but I buy the no added sugar varieties, which are quite good tasting. Does it reduce my sugar load? Probably not by much. I love grilled cheese sandwiches, and every day I have peanut butter and jam sandwiches. Are they healthy? I don’t know. I had my lipid panels yesterday and to my surprise every test came back great. However, My A1C slowly creeps up. The dozens of heath diets and nature foods are highly over-sold, IMO. Trying to fix one’s existing cancer with diet seems incredibly naive to me. Maybe there’s an argument to be made for preventing disease through diet, but I think that’s fairly suspect too. How many popular diet gurus lived a lot longer than anyone else?

If you are a sick person, which many of us on the forum are, I would tend towards eating what I enjoy, which I do. But, I do keep my weight in the right range. Eating too much likely causes way more problems than what we eat.

As far as meat goes, I would think that our bodies would have evolved to tolerate what the tribes ate, generation after generation. wild animals generally don’t live all that long, so maybe their diets don’t really have a chance to give them disease. If there were 70 year old wolves running around , they might have cancer and heart disease too.

Well, there’s my latest Lupron perspective. Good night everyone.

Tend to think like mattam that once the disease is in us, diet choices probably will not matter much. I think of diet these days as more a matter of preference and what is enjoyable. For example, to my Irish surprise, I have all but given up alcohol, not out of virtue or concern over PCa, but rather over time I have enjoyed drink less and less. Meat in all forms feels “heavy” to me, so source most protein by way of seafood or dairy. If I have made any intake adjustment because of PCa, I think I eat more dairy to strengthen bone in anticipation of what is inevitably coming… Bill

Practice moderation in everything, including moderating things. I have been on Weight Watchers the past year and lost 20 pounds. Just gained back 4 after a week with the grandkids. Ice cream 4 nights, pizza, burgers. Loved every minute. I'm not going to starve myself for the percived benefit of living longer. I'm too busy living.