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Mumbo
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Posted 10/25/2024 6:43 AM (GMT -5)
Seems that you made the correct choice. Radiating all those lymph nodes and ADT would probably not have accomplished much other than temporarily lowering your PSA during the treatment period. I am sure the Uro and RO are scratching their heads and wondering just like you are doing.
Take the recovery slow as you may feel better than your body actually is in a few days. Keep up the walking and don’t lift heavy objects, etc.
Sounds like monitoring your PSA and periodic PSMA and other scans may be on the horizon. There are other tracers that can be used also that may be more effective in your case. Not much you can do if you can’t find the cancer other that chemicals which are premature at this point in my layman’s opinion.
jonll
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Posted 10/25/2024 7:35 AM (GMT -5)
Hello Mumbo, I am still feeling weak and taking easy on everything right now. I eat/drink well... constipation is the issue.
Yes, Uro and RO are not pleased of not finding the root cause. Monitoring the PSA is next step.
My family Dr said that it is because I did SBRT in the past and that would damage some nodes causing PSA to go up. He instructed me not be concerned too much.
halbert
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Posted 10/25/2024 11:04 AM (GMT -5)
Hang in there...plenty of water and fiber...soon your gut will wake up and the relief will be tremendous.
Mumbo
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Posted 10/25/2024 4:50 PM (GMT -5)
Miralax can be your friend for constipation but does not act quickly unless you follow a colon prep dosage. Some swear by prune juice.
jonll
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Posted 10/25/2024 8:18 PM (GMT -5)
I am hanging tight for sure... taking Laxative every 8 hrs... do some walking. feeling kind of weak with no energy.
hopefully a couple of more days will get my energy back.
halbert
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Posted 10/26/2024 4:09 AM (GMT -5)
Be careful with stimulant laxatives such as senokot, it's way better to use fiber supplements after surgery.
jonll
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Posted 10/26/2024 5:38 AM (GMT -5)
what do your recommend? something like Metamucil ? Dr gave me senokot,
Mumbo
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Posted 10/26/2024 8:05 AM (GMT -5)
Fiber is great but does not work very well for quick results in all people. Not all people process fiber the same way, some it works fast, others it is just part of their normal diet. Miralax (generic) is pretty benign and works differently than Metamucil which is essential a dose of soluble fiber. Also drink lots of water during this period as it helps the process.
Mumbo
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Posted 10/26/2024 10:50 AM (GMT -5)
ps: Milk of Magnesia is supposed to work well also.
jonll
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Posted 10/26/2024 12:35 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks a lot halbert, Mumbo!
each time I pee...very sharp pain... getting a little better each day. I am still taking 50mg traMADol daily.
it it a normal situation after the surgery?
halbert
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Posted 10/26/2024 1:42 PM (GMT -5)
The tramadol is an opiate, and may be part of the constipation situation. Personally, after my RALP, I had dilaudid IV at the hospital, and took 1 dose of percoset for the drive home (2 hrs in the car, wife driving), and then one dose the next day and I was done--I really don't like what opiods do to me.
I'd suggest trying to transition to ibuprofen or naloxone away from the tramadol as quickly as possible. The risks of the opiods are just too high IMO
Mumbo
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Posted 10/26/2024 3:58 PM (GMT -5)
I agree about
tramadol. Most of the opiate's seem to numb the GI tract as well and slow it down. Been an issue with every surgery I had. I only took one tramadol after I got home the next day and alternated Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen every two hours for a day or two. Pain meds can make you tired also.
halbert - keep in mind we were not peeing until the catheter was removed a week or so later. It may be different if they pulled it the next day, never had a catheter for one day.
jonll - Your doctor can prescribe a med for burning sensation while peeing (turns the pee orange) if that is what the issue is. In any case, your urologist can help with most problems like that from procedures.
jonll
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Posted 10/26/2024 5:12 PM (GMT -5)
no catheter for me, instead, I had a bottle & a tube attached to stomach to suck the fluids out of my body for about
two days. I sent the volume with picture of the fluids to surgeon 3-4 times a day.
Right now, it is still painful when pee-pee... and I also notice that my "sausage" is swollen a little.
Mumbo
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Posted 10/27/2024 7:19 AM (GMT -5)
Makes sense with your surgery, should have been no direct effect on your plumbing.
If you are really lucky, you may see a rainbow of bruising in a few days as blood settles in odd places. I had nothing from robot assisted hernia surgery but the prostate surgery was much more invasive.
jonll
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Posted 10/28/2024 6:42 AM (GMT -5)
one week after the surgery,
1. I still have pain when pee-pee and frequency is significantly higher,
2. swollen down there, has not improved at this point,
3. some bruises on my stomach,
4. trying to walk 45 mins a day,
5. energy is slowly getting back,
Pratoman
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Posted 10/29/2024 7:46 AM (GMT -5)
Seems pretty typical, it's going to take some time. I assume your constipation has resolved?
jonll
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Posted 10/29/2024 10:15 AM (GMT -5)
Constipation is improving once I stop Tramadol. It needs more time to go back to normal...
jonll
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Posted 11/15/2024 10:24 AM (GMT -5)
It has been 4 weeks after PROSTATECTOMY, ROBOT-ASSISTED, DA VINCY XI.
Surgeon removed 28 lymph nodes on both sides and all negative. RO and Surgeon are scratching their head wondering what is going on?
I got my 1st PSA after the surgery today, it is still moving upward to 2.7. it was 1.95 before the surgery.
Seems to me Radiation will be next per RO.
What my options are at this point? what is exactly causing PSA to go up?
halbert
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Posted 11/15/2024 1:05 PM (GMT -5)
So, to be clear: you had SBRT 7 years ago, had a recurrence, and then surgery? And now, your PSA is still on the rise.
It's a head scratcher, to be sure. I have a feeling you're headed for more scans, so they know where to shoot.
jonll
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Posted 11/15/2024 1:41 PM (GMT -5)
Thank you halbert,
like you said on 10/24/2024..
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Remember that a scan is not a definitive diagnosis. They saw a shadow, and rendered an opinion.
Sometimes they are wrong.
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they saw a suspicious lymph node, then they surgery removed it with other 27 lymph nodes near by,
but PSA is still heading upward 25 days after the surgery. Is it possible causing by infection of some sort?
should I wait a little bit longer for the next PSA?
How will the next scan help to get to the bottom line?
jonll
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Posted 11/17/2024 6:54 PM (GMT -5)
28 lymph nodes surgery removed last month and all negative.
I am wondering what PSA is still going upward? something is hidden and PET didn't detect?
What are my options now moving forward?
Your opinions are most welcome !
mattam
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Posted 11/17/2024 7:19 PM (GMT -5)
Jonil,
Well, the PSA is increasing because the PCa is somewhere other than the removed prostate. I do not know if radiation is a viable option since you already had radiation. I think you and your doctors will have to give consideration to the possibility of distant mets.
Mumbo
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Posted 11/17/2024 8:40 PM (GMT -5)
PSMA (on cancer cells) and PSA (blood test) are not directly related so it is always possible to have a variation that does not produce much PSMA. There are a couple of PSMA tracers plus a few older tracers so it may be possible to try another tracer that might provide better results in your situation. This is where a radiologist may have some expertise about
tracers. You may have to go to a different facility to find the best tracer though given short half lives of some.
jonll
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Posted 12/10/2024 6:19 PM (GMT -5)
28 lymph nodes surgery removed on 10/21/2024 and all negative.
today I got my 1st PSA after the surgey.. it is at 2.80, seems it is still trending up. It was 1.95 before the surgery.
What is my option now ?
Mumbo
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Posted 12/12/2024 10:24 AM (GMT -5)
Suggest seeing a good medical oncologist that specializes in prostate cancer. IHMO, you will need more scans with different tracers to find the PSA source. That is really your only option prior to going on ADT to control the situation.
You need someone aggressive and willing to fight with the insurance companies on your behalf. Can not think of much else at this point in your journey.
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