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tboard937
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Posted 3/20/2017 10:47 AM (GMT -5)
Hey guys. I'm, unfortunately I guess, am a new member to this group. I guess I'm reaching out to people who have been through what is the beginning of this journey for me. I guess my situation isn't good and I understand I'm high risk but I really don't know what that truly means. My biggest issue is I don't feel sick and am not in any pain. It's extremely difficult to pee but I'm not telling any of you something you haven't experienced. I guess I'm trying to find some kind of expectation as to what to expect. Also, just how serious is this.
I'm 50. If I don't give all the necessary information I apologize...new to this and all. My PSA is 97. All 12 biopsies were positive for a Gleason score of 4+4. The beginning of this report I have says i'm T2c although I suspect that's since changed. My NCCN risk: Very High risk: based on MR report of EPE and sem ves invasion.
At this point the doctor says he doesn't not recommend a radical prostectomy. I meet with the radiation oncologist on Thursday to discuss radiation and hormone therapy.
Oh, my Partin Tables: 11/40/29/20 I have no idea what those mean.
Thanks guys,
Tom
InTheShop
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Posted 3/20/2017 11:32 AM (GMT -5)
Welcome to HW, so sorry you need to be here.
That's not the best news to get. However, there is hope that you can be treated and can keep this thing at bay for many, many years. We have guys here who've been in your spot and are still going after 5, 10 years.
HT, and RT are likely in your future. The HT isn't fun, but will bring the PSA down and should help. RT may or may not be recommended - the RO will help you through that choice.
Hang in there and the advance guys will be along soon with better info and recommendations.
Andrew
JNF
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Posted 3/20/2017 11:47 AM (GMT -5)
Hi Tom,
Sorry you are here....glad you found us. I was also high PSA and 12 for 12. I used HDR Brachytherapy, External Beam IMRT (including the pelvic lymph nodes) and ADT for a few years. I am more than six years out and am doing great. No PSA or side effects so the treatment is clearly working. This approach is the best for cancer control and low side effects for us high risk guys. I spoke with three different surgeons and all said no surgery. Too great a chance I would also need radiation.
For information that will help you understand the disease and one of the best treatments see www.cetmc.com. This is the website for Dr. Jeffrey Demanes the father of HDR brachytherapy. He has used it since 1981 and is the head of the department at the UCLA Medical Center.
Herophilus
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Posted 3/20/2017 12:45 PM (GMT -5)
Bummer, sorry for your results. If it were me I'd start ADT while working the decision making tree.
jnm
Tall Allen
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Posted 3/20/2017 2:30 PM (GMT -5)
Tom,
I'm sorry to hear this bad news. Have you had a bone scan/CT yet?
tboard937
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Posted 3/21/2017 2:29 PM (GMT -5)
Tall Allen. Yes I had the bone scan and CT scan. Both were negative. I guess my doctor wasn't convinced because he then ordered a MRI. It was that scan that showed the metastatic desease.
I appreciate all the well wishes. I guess I'll get the game plan on Thursday.
Michael_T
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Posted 3/21/2017 2:48 PM (GMT -5)
Sorry about
your diagnosis and that you have to be here. But the negative bone scan is good news. Let us know what you hear from the RO on Thursday. Like JNF above, I had what some people call the "triple play," which is IMRT, brachytherapy and hormone therapy. I'm also doing well several years later.
Good luck to you and everyone here will do what we can to help.
Tall Allen
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Posted 3/21/2017 5:03 PM (GMT -5)
tboard937 said...
It was that scan that showed the metastatic disease.
It showed metastases? Where are they?
tboard937
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Posted 3/21/2017 5:05 PM (GMT -5)
The lymph nodes. Thats why the surgeon said he wouldn't recommend surgery at this point.
Tall Allen
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Posted 3/21/2017 5:13 PM (GMT -5)
OIC. Yes whole pelvic radiation with a brachy boost to the prostate (plus a long term of hormone therapy) makes much more sense for you.
tboard937
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Posted 3/23/2017 12:34 PM (GMT -5)
Well the RO said there wasn't enough data on my situation so he left it up to me what to do. I start on Casodex tomorrow and then next week get an injection. I'll stay on that for two months and then start nine weeks of RT. See how things look after that.
JNF
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Posted 3/23/2017 1:02 PM (GMT -5)
I think there is a lot of good data that supports the brachytherapy in conjunction with the external beam. It provides an improved method for cancer control and reduces the number of external beam treatments by 44%. It will reduce the external beam by about
20 treatments or four weeks worth.
Which form of brachytherapy does the ro you are seeing specialize in....High Dose Rate or Permanent Seeds?
tboard937
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Posted 3/23/2017 1:16 PM (GMT -5)
I don't know the answers to your questions although seeds did come up. Since it's already spread to the lymph nodes he said it doesn't offer a good option. I'm still a complete novice at all this and funds just don't allow me to go to a Cleveland Clinic or something of that nature. I am fortunate that my dad is a retired urologist so he has been there for all the consultations. He's been retired though for 17 years though so there are limits to what he can help with.
JNF
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Posted 3/23/2017 4:13 PM (GMT -5)
Tom, I'm not suggesting you go to Cleveland Clinic just that you seek out treatment specialists in your area. Here in Atlanta I was able to see three different surgeons and two different radiation oncologists in the span of three weeks. One ro did seeds and the other did HDRBT, both did external beam. Two of the surgeons did
open and one did robotic.
The main point is that I did not let any one speak for any other. Thus I got the best unfettered information from each regarding their own specialty. Then I could make the decisions.
Where are you located. Hopefully we can help you make sure you are getting the best treatment direction that is optimal for cancer control, lowest side effects and most treatment convenience.
halbert
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Posted 3/24/2017 6:06 AM (GMT -5)
Tom, google "NCCN centers of excellence", this will list the top cancer treatment centers in the US--one of them is bound to be near you. I'll ask the same question--where are you located? Someone on here is sure to know of the experts near you.
tboard937
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Posted 3/24/2017 8:00 AM (GMT -5)
I am in Springfield, Ohio. Took my first Casodex this morning.
JNF
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Posted 3/24/2017 10:27 AM (GMT -5)
Thanks Tom, the casodex is a great start. I assume a shot of Lupron or Eligard will come in a week or so, then the radiation as you had mentioned.
I don't personally know of practitioners in Springfield, but my brother's brother-in-law is in the area and has been treated successfully for about
13 years. He was high risk G9. I would be happy to find out who he has worked with.
I would also research Ohio State and other universities in the area just to see whether additional opinions might be of use for you.
halbert
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Posted 3/24/2017 3:58 PM (GMT -5)
Tom,
OSU would be a place to check out as well as Cincinnati. The thing is, the top docs all know each other..and constantly pick each other's brains.
tboard937
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Posted 3/24/2017 4:03 PM (GMT -5)
Thanks guys. My dad mentioned the same thing. The cancer center here is only three blocks from work. I have to keep working. Therefore, I'm going to trust that I'm in capable hands. I also just want to get this started. I first saw the urologist in November and received the first diagnosis in February. Ready to get on with it. My first day impression with this Casodex is I don't like it.
JNF
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Posted 3/24/2017 8:09 PM (GMT -5)
Drugs are crappy. You will have to find ways to mitigate the side effects. There has been a lot of good information in many posts and we have all found ways to manage the side effects.
I foind that exercise helped. I altered my diet to remove caffeine, carbonated drinks, acidic drinks and reduced red meat. All this helped me through the radiation and ADT.
goatts
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Posted 3/25/2017 7:07 PM (GMT -5)
Sounds like you're in a similar situation to me. Lack of bone mets is good news. They hit my prostate and lymph nodes with radiation. Then went brachy boost. Also was on ADT for a year. Now it's wait and see.
Tom
Redwing57
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Posted 3/26/2017 6:34 AM (GMT -5)
What symptoms are bothering you? HT is not an easy treatment.
Hot flashes - fans are your friends. I took Megace, 20mg 2x daily, which reduced hot flashes 50-60% or so. Estrogen patches help some people, but I never tried them. The severity varies hugely between different guys.
Fatigue - do some regular exercise. Enough to raise your heartbeat to an aerobic level. Not a lot, just enough. Do some resistance training to keep your bones loaded up a little. That helps slow the loss of bone density too.
Watch your diet to manage weight. You'll tend to add pounds easily.
Those are the main ones. Other physical effects, particularly to your sexual equipment, can't be helped. It will depend upon how long you're on the hormone therapy. Three years for me was a long time. There are men here who've been on it far longer, and will never be off of it again.
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