Vegan shmegan

Ak, here is a paper on ginger and iron absorption.

nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/13429/1/IJTK%2011%281%29%2078-80.pdf

If your using ginger, I would scale it back. I used ginger in tea for a long time,
without a problem. Then, about three months ago, I started eating some/most
of it, from the tea cup (3 thin slices). So the same diet, that had been lowering
my PSA, was now allowing it to rise. Currently, I'm ginger free and we shall see
what happens.

Interesting that tea inhibits iron absorption while ginger promotes it. So when I
had ginger in my tea, no problem. Only when I started eating it did things go south.

Cashless

VinceinMT said...
Sigh....diet falls into the same realm as religion and politics doesn't it. IMO, if your diet works for you, go with it and enjoy life.

I very much agree! I posted this same study on the HealthUnlocked Advanced Prostate Cancer site, and so far got 122 responses. Some were glad to hear that they don't have to feel guilty anymore about enjoying the occasional steak and potatoes. (I'm sure Andrew here is relieved that he doesn't have to eat his broccoli ) Some insisted that the study was trash. Some said it didn't go far enough. Some were insulted by my use of humor in the title.

I concluded as you did, that (other than actual religious adherents where veganism is part of their religious beliefs) the true-believers are not going to be convinced by objective medical evidence, and are therefore adhering to religious beliefs. Asceticism has always been a way of bargaining with higher powers. The need to feel that we still have some control over our bodies (which have betrayed us) is just too strong to let actual evidence stand in the way. I think it is just fine to take that stance - we all do whatever we have to to deal with it. And if there is no harm done, why not? Whatever one does to live a meaningful existence while we have it - whether by eating steak and potatoes or by practicing asceticism - is just fine, as far as I'm concerned.

All advice is objective...all decisions...to be valid for an individual have to be subjective...why? Because he is a subject...not an object...when perceived as an object he will be treated as one...empathy only goes so far..."Physician heal thyself"

Forget the MEAL study, that must be a week old already. Here is a new study.

"New research now suggests that consuming less dietary fat after being diagnosed
with breast cancer may significantly improve a person's survival rate."

/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321926.php

No! No! Sorry that's a day old already. That would be like eating stale bread,
that is, if I was allowed to eat bread, which I'm not.

48,835 women enrolled, for 20 to 25 years. Those are large numbers, so we should
be impressed.

Do you know what would be even more impressive? Forty eight men without their
prostates, and rising PSA. Spoon feed them carefully selected meals. Then measure
their PSA every four weeks. Look at the results, adjust their diets and repeat. In two
years you will know more about food and cancer than we learned over the last few
hundred years. From that data you can come up with three levels of dietary advice.

Level I - Moderation! It won't do a darn thing for your cancer nor your heart, but it
doesn't hurt either, and it's easy to maintain. We can call this the "Pratoman Diet",
until I can get him to clean up his act, then we'll rename it.

Level II- Moderation Plus! It won't do a darn thing for your cancer but will be heart friendly.
Let's call this the "Ak Diet", until I can get him on the Labcorp test and we make
some real progress. Then we'll rename that diet as well.

Level III- A serious heart and cancer diet, hard to stay on, but it really works. Hopefully,
someday, we can name this the "Clay Diet", but we're not quite there yet, and
the name could be dangerous, with people eating the wrong thing.

As always, there's the Level "0" diet, which is the "I will eat damm thing I want, when I
want it - Diet". We can name this diet after . . . my goodness, so many names
to choose from.

Cashless

when does your diet book get published?

@ Cashless, thanks for nam9ng a diet after me. Even if it’s one that might eventually kill me (from heart disease, not PCa). Your challenge remains, to clean my diet up. Many have tried, few hve survived.(or something like that)

@TA, Your last post was a good one, containing many truisms. Also, I like the title. It says a lot.

My truism is that I have no real clue if diet and/or exercise slows progression. I only know if I can get more consistent and clean up my act (see ab0ve), it will be good for my general health. Beyond that, even with the MEAL study, I think nobody knows anything for sure. In fact, I’ve got a feeling that we are all individuals that respond differently to different foods, supplements and other external influencers. And if I’m right we have to do each our own experimentation as Cashless has done.

Pratoman, I think it’s extremely difficult if not impossible for each to do his
Own experience. Where do you start? As you very well know, there are million
Things to choose from with conflicting results from different groups. One doctor told
Me what I am trying to do is like someone holding a spoon and trying to empty a large water
Well. I am not a rocket scientist like cashless but I know very well
How to test from all these software complicated that I program and build.

Exactly pratoman, that is why I am trying to follow cashless diet. He has spent 4 years experimenting
So I don’t want to start from scratch.

This should help to bring a significant element of scientific rigor to your efforts:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO-Gc5bEG70

Cashless, perfect perfect perfect . I hated waken up in the morning while I am always
Hungry to be served this card board oatmeal stuff. Once I get my labcorp psa , I will start and switch
my lunch which I used to have(hummus and salad) instead of the oatmeal. I actually enjoy
This meal very much and then I can drink my coffee immediately. I am so
Glad you brought this up. I need guidance with this diet stuff, I couldn’t think of
That for myself. Now, I can’t wait to start the diet again
Thanks a lot cashless

currently I am doing a ton of research on ketogenic (very low carb) diets. While most research seems directed at controlling diabetes and metabolic syndrome, it is also being used to control epilepsy and as a treatment for brain cancers. Reference this talk:

/youtu.be/u9HLI6rKz-Q


I might post more details of what I'm finding when I've figured out more of this. Interesting stuff.
and looks like lots of good science behind it.

Andrew

Tall Allen said...
Interesting

exactly. I thought it was bunch of BS when my doctor first suggested I look into this, but she provided a list of studies, and conference talks on the subject. So far I'm finding the premise of very low-carb, high fat, ketogenic diets promising and might actual be the right thing to do.

It looks it does need to medically supervised in the early stages and it's not without some possible side effects.

Andrew

One theory the ketogenic researchers are hinting at is that our over consumption of carbohydrates and the insulin/glucose cycle might be what is giving cancers in general a better environment to survive and thrive in. The high levels of sugar in modern human diets is possible a link to higher cancer rates. That's not proven, but the current research is pointing that way.

and pointing loud enough for me to remove all refined sugar from my diet and to start reducing the carbs I eat.

A few lines in a post is inadequate to describe the things I am learning, but I've seen enough to encourage me to keep studying it.

Andrew