Vaccines will probably save a lot of lives, but could we have been doing so all along?

VinceInMT said...

compiler said...

"Feel free to caress an idea; don't strangle it."

Thanks for that from a retired teacher who was on the forefront of the technology revolution who overcame much resistance with a similar proverb:

"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

It works in all areas of life.

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Vince, you are probably right. And I truly do not want to be offensive(i.e. vinegar) But I'm not sure where the vinegar come in when I simply report on the studies and clinical experience of extremely qualified critical care docs who are doing things-with great success- that the mainstream refuses to consider. Is it vinegar simply because Fauci and Birx and most hospitals refuse to look at these things, and I point it out? If I don't point it out(or someone like me), is there any chance Y'all will eve hear about it? Is the government, or CDC, which advises you to wear a mask, avoid people and wait for the vaccine, going to tell you? If it turns out that one or more of these things can truly save lives, then I agree there really is some vinegar out there. But I don't think it is me because I pointed to the studies indicating there was something other than what government/medicine was recommending that could have helped. But, Vince, truly I don't want to be vinegar and hopefully I can figure out a way to improve my presentations in the future. Unlikely, but I still hope so. Thanks for your thoughts!

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 5/23/2021 8:04:23 PM (GMT-6)

Don't ya hate it one someone uses the fact that someone else is doing something "inappropriate" in a like fashion as them self as a justification for their "inappropriateness" Hwy is that...we know that shouldn't fly...Oh I fore got it makes everybody right and wrong at the same time...neat trick...oh I forgot ...the children...he did it first wah...wah...wah...Ill get him...you'll see...you'l see

Stephen S said...
BB388, I was in radiation treatment during the Covid lockdown last spring and in my weekly meeting with the rad onc we spoke more about covid than anything.

He said that dr’s were sharing all kinds of information informally using electronic means much like these boards but with membership restricted to those in the profession.

So I am sure these things you are passionate about and more are part of the knowledge used to deal with the virus.

Pratoman said...
Back on topic, I’ve heard from more than a few friends and relatives , in the last 6 months or so, that they have been advised by their doctors to take daily vitamin D, C and Zinc supplements to strengthen defenses against Covid.

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Yes, as I mentioned earlier, that is what I have been hearing more and more of in the last few months. I already gave several examples. Y’all have just added some more. I just got back from a HS reunion over in GA. An old classmate pulled me aside and wanted to ask me some specifics about vitamin C. I will need to ask him the details why his doctors told him this. I can’t remember if he said he had Covid, or just had the crud, or just got this advice at a routine office visit. But his doc told him to take C, D, zinc and quercetin.

That is the same thing my buddy over in Asheville NC said all his ex co workers at the surgery center told him THEY were doing(no word on if they were telling their patients). Including taking the Quercetin which works like hydroxychloroquine: gets the zinc out of the blood and into the cells where it can fight the virus, any virus.

So here is the thing: in addition to the super highly qualified critical docs I have mentioned who have been treating their patients with these substances, more and more of our local doctors- if quietly- are starting to recommend this approach to their patients, particularly when their patients come to them with Covid or simply sick with any respiratory infection. Apparently this good news is actually happening.

To this good news I say: “Praise the Lord”! Even if it is happening long after I started raving here over a year ago about Covid and long before that regarding flu and colds- this is still wonderful news for all those we love. The odds are huge that this new approach by docs will save many lives. But, it is still not all perfect. Docs, some at least, are doing this somewhat confidentially, once their patients come to them for conventional treatment for whatever reason. It may not be approved by the authorities yet, but these docs can read studies even better than we can, and they know or HIGHLY suspect it will help a lot, and they know the downside is far less than any prescription drug.

So they are acting without approval from on high, and that is wonderful. But, if what they are doing is actually helpful, then how great is the probable help to mankind if the medical and governmental authorities would admit that, rather than saying there is NOTHING that can help other than the vaccine, that people should be either taking care of these things the minute they get sick or better yet BEFORE they get sick?

Does it seem stupid of me to think the these things would be more effective if already on board boosting the immune system from the second we are exposed to the virus? After all, even with IV vitamin C, critical care doctor Paul Marik insists that early is key, that it is started the minute he gets his hands on them. I can’t think of any reason on earth the same would not apply to building blood levels into the high but safe zone BEFORE contact with the virus and especially BEFORE needing a doctor.

And that is what Fauci et all should have announced to the world long ago, IMO. I wonder how much these things, along with dirt cheap nebulized low concentration hydrogen peroxide, might help those poor people dying in India RIGHT NOW, all pretty much severely deficient in these nutrients and still without a vaccine? It might save millions of lives, certainly many thousands. It is possible, and very unlikely to hurt anything.

I hate it if me saying that angers anyone. But I don't think it should anger you. Facts are facts. The studies and plenty of clinical experience indicate those are the facts.

Mods, I obviously once again messed up even bringing this subject up, even if I think it can save lives. It just upsets too many people for reasons that escape me. I will not be at all upset if you just close the thread, there is probably nothing constructive left to say. Thanks again to those of you who just accepted it as information that you could read or not read, accept or reject, or simply my opinion without it upsetting you terribly.