Feeding Goblet Cells to make Mucus-Yes You Can

Your saying that whey protein is beneficial ? I would disagree with that. I was consuming lots of whey protein when I got UC and have since minimized it in favor of Pure Green Protein which has spirulina which has studies to show it controls UC symptoms. I have solid waste once daily that is formed in long tubes like it used to be, compact. I have no blood, no mucus now for over a year. I do consume butter, salmon, Apple pectin pills and yogurt to support Butyrate and a good intestinal barrier. I used to consume psyllium seed powder for its production of butyrate but no longer see the need to do so.

I see the studies show it helps when UC is induced with Dextran sulfate. If it works for you that's all that matters. Good luck to you both.

I do still consume 'Oats-n-Whey' by optimum which I think is a good source of protein, oats and l-glutamin. However I make sure it is the minority and cannot say enough about pure green protein, definitely had a positive effect replacing whey protein.

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 3/18/2012 4:16:31 PM (GMT-6)

Old Mike said...
I see there is lots of threonine in the pure green protein, so that should also work. The whole point is that you need to make more mucin/mucus,by what ever method you can.
Old Mike

I see your point. However I never see any mucous and after all the 'urgencies' it feels like old times when I have to push which makes me think there is a lack of something.

I'm just saying I used to consume whey shakes 6 times a day after my divorce because I am a lousy cook and it was cheap. Of all the things I take I have never felt it helped but I hope its helping you.

For you it could be the key thing your lacking if its working then more power to you, perhaps others will post and share their good fortune with whey.

It does contain a lot and when I look at these foods which is all I eat I have to be getting 4-8 times the amount required for me.

www.livestrong.com/article/509108-foods-high-in-l-threonine/

Eggs,fish,chicken, nuts thats me 24x7 - maybe its why I am doing so well.

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 3/19/2012 12:09:50 AM (GMT-6)

Old Mike,

Thanks for posting all the links. Thanks for all the hours you've devoted to doing this, I do appreciate it, as I  know how time consuming it can be.

When I got diagnosed with UC, I started doing my whey protein shakes with almond milk several times a day. At the time, the only thing I could tolerate was the shakes together with proteins and NOTHING else. There were some days I would have 3 to 4 of them.

Now it all makes sense to me.

BTW, most of the commercially prepared whey proteins are full of junk, including HFCS as well. However, after much research, I found the healthiest one is: Dr. Mercola's Pro-Optimal WHey Protein which is from grass-fed cows, no hormones, no antibiotics cows - and already contains in it some digestive enzymes.

I love my protein shakes, and really look forward to having them each day ( I have  between 2-3 a day), and for some reason (perhaps the ones stated in the studies you've been kind enough to dig up), whenever I have them it feels so soothing to my gut.

Now, in remission, thanks to the LDN and the multi-prong approach of various supplements and Paleo diet, I am still enjoying my 2 to 3 protein shakes a day.

Thanks again for posting all the links.

I'm glad you've found something that works for you too.

 

Hemp protein might not be too good, low in threonine, high in arginine. I tried arginine by itself to make more nitric oxide and it made me worse. You have to look at the amino acid profile of the protein you choose.

As for me day 3.
Still have blood, but mucus is now much thicker.
Am adding back fish oil, and zinc, have read these also help to preserve mucus layer.
May add extra threonine, also histidine.

Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/19/2012 10:37:44 AM (GMT-6)

Dont know for sure but whey has about twice of hemp protein. Also check the link from aguywithuc which shows high threonine foods. You can also supplement with threonine.
Old Mike

Thanks OLD Mike for going further down this path. After reading the posts before about the mucus/goblet cells I too went out and looked at how to help mucus and came across Threonine. I looked at foods high in it and also looked at my favorite website iherb and they have a L-Threonine supplement. Just came in today as well as a Whey Protein shake I ordered.
http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Gluten-Free-BioChem-100-Whey-Protein-Powder-Vanilla-29-9-oz-848-g/6907?at=0

I have tried rPC from Germany, Mucosta (ulcer healing drug from India), butryate enemas, vitamin E enemas, etc all in attempts to repair the lining of the gut. So far the only supplements that give me soothing relief are slippery elm, psyllium, and marshmallow root. I recently started taking slippery elm powder and not capsules since some on here are having success with more. I hope this attempt works because I am sick of dealing with this for a decade now. I also started gluten free about two weeks ago and surprisingly that has helped. That combined with my other supplements (Curamed, ACES+zinc,slippery elm powder, psyllium seed/husk powder & Ubiquinol) I hope it pushes me into remission.

Also arginine seemed to give me bad digestive problems as well. I did the Arginine Ethyl Ester.

Well I was afraid of this in addition to UC my kidneys are not great, I think that even one crummy scoop a day 23 grams of extra protein is causing some problems. So I have to stop, still believe that this was helping the UC. Will switch to
the amino acid threonine,perhaps some NAC, fish oil and zinc.
This is really too bad, I am not happy,thought I was finally getting somewhere with the UC.
Old Mike

Old Mike, I'm sorry to hear you had to back off the protein supp. Hopefully when you achieve remission you will be able to incorporate them again. Twin lab sell a liquid amino called amino fuel. I use it religiously when Im fasting or fighting D and have had no problems with it. I sip it not gulp it. Seems to work better during frquent use instead of one serving.

I like the fact I have no residue and it is assimilated quick. It has some sugar in it but in my opinion, not enough to cause any imbalance. Just my opinion.

The only stuff I didnt like in it was the parabens and the Na benzoate. Hasn't bothered me so I still consider it relatively safe, for me anyway. Might be worth checking out.

Arginine supps are tricky. I used to take AEE fine but switched to AAKG and have had no problems so far (only been a little over 2 weeks) Now I'm debating on taking ornithine instead when the bottle runs out. I guess I have until then to research it and make a decision.

Old Mike is 63 with UC since 1980. Yes been researching since 1980, I should be good at it. Just about the only alternative have not tried is worms,LDN and HPI.
I had about 20 rigid sig scopes back in 1980-82 so don't go near GI docs since then.If anyone knows what a 100 ml graduated cylinder looks like,well that is about the size of it. I thought my eyeballs would blow out of my head the first time he did it, and I was only 32 or so,still strong.  I know the scopes today are easier to handle,butt I have an aversion to GI doc's,and I lost faith in GI doc's/modern medications when my son lost his colon. Then again modern surgery saved him.

So it looks like threonine,NAC, zinc and some fish oil, too much fish oil bleed worse.
Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/20/2012 5:51:51 PM (GMT-6)

Old Mike,

You're not so old, old Mike!

I'm sorry you've had to discontinue your use of the whey protein.

Let us know how you'll do on the threonine supplements.

 

Old Mike,

I'll be interested in hearing your report on Threonine supplementation.

Here's some info I found on it from the place I order my L-Glutamine and my D-Ribose:

http://nutrabio.com/Products/threonine.htm

L-Threonine is an essential amino acid that cannot be synthesized by humans and has to be obtained from dietary sources. L-Threonine supports cardiovascular, liver, central nervous, and immune system function. L-Threonine aids in the synthesis of glycine and serine, two amino acids that help in the production of collagen, elastin, and muscle tissue. L-Threonine helps build strong bones and tooth enamel. It also speeds up wound healing after injury by boosting immune system.

L-Threonine is useful in treating Lou Gehrig's Disease, also known as Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS). Research shows that symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis (MS), another disease that affects nerve and muscle, may be alleviated with L-Threonine treatment. L-Threonine is an immunostimulant, which promotes the growth of thymus gland.

L-Threonine typically found in high concentrations in the heart, skeletal muscles and central nervous system. L-Threonine is required to help maintain the proper protein balance in the body, as well as assist in the formation of collagen and elastin. It is further involved in liver functioning including fighting fatty liver. L-Threonine plays a role lipotropic functions when combined with aspartic acid and methionine as well as assisting the immune system by helping the production of antibodies and promotes thymus growth and activity.

Other nutrients are also better absorbed when L-Threonine is present, and it has also been used as part treatment of mental health. Good levels of L-Threonine are found in most meats, dairy and eggs, as well as in lower quantities in wheat germ, nuts, beans and some vegetables.

I may order some in the next order I place with them too. I'll be needing some L-Glutamine and D-Ribose from them soon.

Thanks for all your input.

Old Mike,

Here's a cheat sheet I use to know which foods are high in Omega 6's, so I can stay away from them.

Perhaps it can help you too?

http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/2010/02/omega-6-content-of-common-foods.html-

 

 

"Will lowering omega 6 save you? Will it save humanity? I don’t know. What I do know is that the vast majority of disease inflicting modern man is inflammatory at the core, and the inflammatory molecules that inflict the most collateral damage during any kind of inflammatory reaction are the cytokines. Cytokines are manufactured from omega 6 fatty acids. So the circumstantial evidence is huge, especially when we’re seeing a widespread increase in illnesses that are characterized by an inappropriately aggressive immune response (autoimmunity, autism, allergies, food allergies, asthma, arthritis, etc.).

And what matters most in taking simple steps in pursuing a low omega 6 diet, is the overall percentage of calories as omega 6 in the foods you are eating in greatest abundance. The most relevant and substantial contributors are fats, meats, nuts, and starches. I’ve left vegetables and fruits off the list because neither contributes a significant amount to the total omega 6 we ingest.

As you will quickly realize, the higher your diet is in total fat content, the more important it is that you are diligent about keeping omega 6 intake under control. It is certainly of interest that the highest fat intakes of any diets on record are those by the Eskimo and Masai. The Eskimo consumed much of their fat from seal oil, whale oil, and fish. Seal oil in particular just about has the lowest omega 6 concentration of any fat source on earth (1.1% omega 6). Following it closely is half and half, a close approximation to the uber-fatty milk consumed by the Masai in Kenya 1.8%) – which in their case is grassfed and perhaps even lower in omega 6 than the baseline used for http://www.nutritiondata.com/, which is the source of info. I used to make the following calculations.

This chart is by no means exhaustive, but it does include most of the major calorie contributors to modern diets:

Omega 666 – the most Evil omega 6 powerhouses (over 50%)

Grapeseed oil 70.6%!!!
Corn Oil 54.5%
Walnuts 52.5% (oil is 53.9%)
Cottonseed oil 52.4%
Soybean oil 51.4%

Very High Omega 6 sources (20-50%)

Sesame oil 42.0%
Pepitas 34.5%
Margarine 27.9%
Pecans 26.9%
Peanut Butter 22.5%
Pistachios 21.3%

High Omega 6 Sources (10-20%)

Chicken Fat 19.5%
Almonds 19.1%
Canola oil 19.0%
Flaxseed oil 12.9%
Cashews 12.6%
Duck Fat 12.2%
Bacon Grease 10.2%
Lard 10.2%

Moderate Omega 6 Sources (5-10%)

Olive oil 9.9%
Goose Fat 9.8%
Avocado 9.4%
Chicken with skin 9.0%
Olives 7.4%
Bacon 7.0%
Eggs 6.8%
Pork chops 6.2%
Popcorn (Air Popped) 5.8%
Oats 5.6%

Low Omega 6 Sources (2-5%)

Corn 4.7%
Chicken Liver 3.7%
Sunflower Oil 3.7% (High oleic variety - others are very high in omega 6)
Butter 3.4%
Beef Tallow 3.1%
Cocoa Butter 2.8%
Macadamia Nut oil ~2.5%
Cream 2.2%
Beef liver 2.1%
Grassfed Beef 2.0%
Whole wheat flour 2.0%

Extremely low Omega 6 Sources (Less than 2%)

Coconut oil 1.9%
Prime rib 1.8%
Whole milk 1.8%
Half and Half 1.8%
Ground Beef 1.6%
Macadamia Nuts 1.6%
Chicken without skin 1.4%
Lamb 1.4%
Cheese/Brie 1.3%
Coconut Milk 1.1%
Seal Oil 1.1%
Foie gras 1.1%
Palm Kernel Oil 0.8%
Sockeye Salmon 0.5%
Yams 0.4%
Potatoes 0.3%
Halibut 0.2%
Shrimp 0.2%
Clams 0.2%
Canned tuna 0.1%
Blue crab 0.1%
Lobster 0.1%

When you look at how much tastier the bottom of the omega 6 chart looks than the top, is it really a problem to redefine the term “healthy fats” and load up on great seafood, macadamia nuts, lamb, brie, half and half, prime rib, and potatoes fried in coconut oil? "

 

Personally, I try and stick to foods  below 6% .

Hope this helps you.