OT Covid vaccine

Does anyone know if the current leading vaccines in the U.S. (Pfizer & Moderna) are live vaccines? Those of us on biologics aren't supposed to have live vaccines so I have been wondering

I hope it is safe but I would err on the side of caution. For one thing in this rush for approval there have been no long term safety studies.

Another thing that worries me is that the former vice president of Pfizer, who was also its chief science officer, has serious reservations about Pfizer's vaccine. I will not be among the first to volunteer for it.

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/top-pfizer-whistleblower-trashes-companys-vaccine-breakthrough-spin/

https://thehuntingtonian.com/2020/10/06/chief-science-officer-for-pfizer-says-second-wave-faked-on-false-positive-covid-tests-pandemic-is-over/

I don't think I'll be getting the vaccine right away. I do get the flu shot every year but that's been around for centuries. I don't trust this vaccine yet.

Ambling,

There is no nonsense and pseudoscience here. If you don't like The Liberty Beacon as a source then you can google Dr. Michael Yeadon for yourself and you will see dozens of sources verifying that he was the former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer.

And you will also find that he is going public with his serious reservations about Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine, and that he indeed wrote that open letter to Mike Hancock who is the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care of United Kingdom.

Healthy skepticism is one thing, but.....

The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are going through large, detailed and transparent clinical trials, including sub groups, liked seniors, and cancer victims. While armchair epidemiologists, naysayers, and political cynics abound, we need the coming vaccines as soon as practical. Only Novavax and GSK/Sanofi are developing more conventional (flu like-protein) vaccines. mRNA and viral vaccines hold much more promise.

At best, the USA, and probably Europe, will be able to vacinnate 25 million people a month, so we're looking at late 2021, at best, for meaningful coverage. Maybe 80% when those who have already had the virus and are immune (?) are included. Distribution, storage, double dosage, handling, and IT tracking of both the vaccine, and those vaccinated, costs, are just some of the challenges facing us. Protection for the rest of the world will take even longer, well into 2022.

Questions about the durability of efficacy, long term safety, illness or just symptomatic prevention, and how many are willing to take the vaccine remain unanswered. So, don't throw your masks away, don't make plans for quick globetrotting, or think things will be "back to normal" anytime soon. The FDA, unlike most mass media and extreme website muckrakers, is working FOR us. Like with Ulcerative Colitis, it's incumbent on us to do our own serious and ongoing research.

I plan to be first in line for an FDA approved vaccine, right after medical folks, and first responders. Good luck and prayers, everyone.

I had an appointment with my PCP today and she said no live virus in any of the current vaccines in development. The issue with the Pfizer one is that it has to be kept in deep freeze which limits who can distribute it, the average medical practice won't be able to keep it cold enough. Moderna's is more likely to make it to the average doctor's office because it is more stable. She said the word on the street is that this vaccine won't make it to average patients for quite some time, so we should have more data by the time it will be available to the general population.

I'll gladly take the vaccine when approved. I could breath a heck of a lot easier knowing I had some decent immunity. Pfizer's vaccine was developed in Germany, not the mad rush in the usa that's missing all safety concerns.

If you're against vaccines then you don't have to take them, or can wait a while if desired.

I know there's a smaller subset who'd never take a vaccine, unless some impossibly, ridiculous, extra amount of unclearly defined testing was done to meet their demands. Nothing new, a boring conversation repeated over the decades here lol.

I'm already taking a drug for which the long term effects are unknown (xeljanz) so I can't apply one set of logic to that and other to a vaccine.

Also, long covid scares me. Women in their 40s seem to be most at risk and I'm nearly 40. Have 2 friends who got long covid and it has been quite debilitating for them.

I am not anti vax at all. Got my flu shot a couple weeks ago. The Covid vaccine was rushed, but by the time it's widely available a lot more will be known about it. If it's still safe in the spring/summer I will get it. Hope my reservations about Pfizer are unwarranted, but my spidey sense says something is amiss with that one.

Let's find out what COVID-19 vaccine Dr. Fauci takes himself and recommends. I was a kid when the Salk polio vaccine 1st came to production/mass distribution, and he had injected his own sons with it beforehand. / Old Hat

Groan, no that isn't what happened.

The reason the shares got sold is because they reached a predetermined price.
Months earlier, as permitted and regularly done by executives, he (and others) set a price at which they would accept a sale of part of their shares. When the market hit that price, it triggered the sale of the shares.
If the shares hadn't reached the predetermined price then they would not have been sold. Nothing at all to do with any special timing of an announcement.

Yes, he would have known that the data on their trial was coming out around November, and he would have hoped it was positive. So what. No weird coincidence, and no conspiracy, just business.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-6-million-30-percent-compensation-vaccine-2020-11-1029798146
"The Pfizer chief cashed out more than 60% of his stock the same day, raking in $5.6 million — about 30% of his total compensation in 2019"

The data on covid and IBD (over 3000 people so far) is a bit alarming in terms of the percentage who are hospitalized, 21% total, given that the population tends to be younger overall. It's even high if you are in remission, but higher with inflammation and age. It seems like IBDers are faring worse in terms of hospitalizations at least so far. Death rate as 2% doesn't seem way higher than normal population, but still concerning. I'm more inclined to take a vaccine after looking at this.
https://covidibd.org/current-data/