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Jane974
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Posted 12/4/2020 1:16 PM (GMT -5)
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Post Edited (Jane974) : 12/4/2020 3:06:01 PM (GMT-7)
enjoygolf
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Posted 12/4/2020 5:27 PM (GMT -5)
Verifying price with my insurance now. If Humira does get me in remission how long can I expect it to work??
FlowersGal
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Posted 12/4/2020 7:02 PM (GMT -5)
I talked with an acquaintance of my husbands once who has crohns. He is on humira and also on Medicare. He gets it for free from a foundation — I’m assuming that’s thru the humira manufacturer. I think his copay was going to be too high. I used to get my Apriso for free from the manufacturer because the copay costs were too high.
straydog
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Posted 12/4/2020 7:16 PM (GMT -5)
I suggest that you go to Humira's website & read the information about
their assistance program. Back when I was on Humira it took care of my co-pays. The website is very informative.
No one can answer your question about
how long you can maintain remission on any of the medications, this includes your dr. We all respond differently. However, you can use the search feature at the top right & type in Humira & UC, you will find many threads of members having success with it.
There is a member in the crohns forum that has been on Remicade 20 years, Humira is like a sister drug to Remicade.
enjoygolf
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Posted 12/4/2020 8:10 PM (GMT -5)
From what I understand Medicare Part D will not allow you to use any assistance plans.
FlowersGal
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Posted 12/6/2020 10:31 AM (GMT -5)
You are correct about
Medicare part d not allowing any assistance programs. However that is for the lowered cost copays programs. Most of the manufacturers have 2 assistance programs. One is a lowered cost copay and the other is a no pay free program. You might have to call them to ask My experience is it’s very easy to qualify income-wise. The paperwork is a bit of a hassle and has to be done yearly but it’s well worth it in the end. I am currently receiving Aimovig (migraine preventative shots) at no cost.
Also as a data point on Medicare plus a plan f supplemental a biologic administered by infusion are covered under medical side, not part d prescript
ion plan. So if you have plan f remicade or entyvio would be fully covered. I have no copay on my entyvio infusions.
enjoygolf
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Posted 12/6/2020 1:00 PM (GMT -5)
FlowersGal,
Thanks for the information. I have Plan N so I will need to check about
coverage. I guess since those are by infusion and not a pill or a self administered shot they are covered differently. I will check that out. There sure are a lot of Biologics to choose from!! Last flare I was on Prednisone for a long time and at one point 60mg/day. GI said I need to transition to a Biologic.
UCer23
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Posted 12/7/2020 2:05 AM (GMT -5)
Hi,
Sorry to hear you are flaring. I would agree with everyone else to check out patience assistance programs. I dont know the circumstances if you are on medicare. I would hope they would still have something. Im on private insurance (weird plan where I pay all expenses first until I reach my deduction) and I use the patient assistance program for another biologic, Entyvio. It works great and I pay nothing for the drug (minus the cost to admin it).
I was on Humira before Entyvio and unfortunately never received any benefits from it. I liked it because it was easy to do and give to yourself. The first time you take it, a nurse will come to your house and work with you to make sure you are doing it correctly. With COVID, Im not sure how that will work. I would imagine your doctor could show you.
Taking the shot is easy. A little pinch and it usually is fine after the first couple you do. I always took mine in the leg, but some people have sworn that taking it in the stomach is better for it working. Not sure how that works, but I would take it where your comfortable, either the leg or the stomach.
Hopefully you get some good benefits from it. Good luck!
enjoygolf
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Posted 12/7/2020 10:49 AM (GMT -5)
I have been checking my Part B and Part D coverage. Looks like Humira is covered under Part D (Medicare) and Remicade is covered under Part B (Medicare). Looks like the Remicade would cost less. The question becomes 2 fold: Start a Biologic for the first time (probably remicade) or proceed to Surgery (73 years old and have had left sided uc for 57 years with lots of pred). Tough decision. Any thoughts on which Biologic to try or straight to surgery??
Thanks for input
UCer23
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Posted 12/7/2020 10:55 AM (GMT -5)
I would tell you to try a biologic. They have helped a lot of people, including me. There are many options that can hopefully work while fulfilling medicare.
I really dont know about
what process doctors use to decide which biologic to use. I try Humira first and then Entyvio. Im not sure the order matters so Id bet a plan could be developed where the best biologic could be determined for your situation.
FlowersGal
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Posted 12/7/2020 10:57 AM (GMT -5)
Personally I would try a biologic. At least if you did have to resort to surgery you would know you’d given it the good ole college try. I went with entyvio and have been in a lovely remission for over 3 years. I’ve heard remicade has put some in remission for 20 years.
Re surgery and age I know a 75 yr old who had breast cancer lumpectomy surgery last year with no issue. I think any “rules” about
surgery and age would be for elective surgeries and not one that was needed. Besides isn’t 70 the new 50? I hope so!!!! 😀
straydog
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Posted 12/7/2020 11:44 AM (GMT -5)
Yes there are several infusion biologics available now. Remicade is the oldest one with a good track record if that one interests you, in the event you find Humira too expensive with the co-pay. This should be discussed with your dr if it comes down to that.
I suspect your gi will want you to try a biologic to see how you do before making a recommendation for surgery. If you fail a bio then your dr will be more inclined to send you for a surgical consult. A lot of insurance company's require a patient to try the bio's before they will consider approving surgery. Medicare may not be any different.
Hospitals right now are stopping elective surgeries due to the virus. A surgeon has to agree surgery is the only recourse, after that an anesthesiologist has to agree to you being his patient. Whether we like it or not, once we get to the ages we are now, being put under anesthesia is a risk & some drs want not part of us unless it's an emergency.
I would rather take a biologic any time over prednisone. Long term effects of prednisone are not good, osteoporosis, diabetes & glaucoma, no thanks. The last time I was put on prednisone was in a hospital setting. My sugar went sky high & I was getting 3 insulin shots a day. My family had a heck of a time convincing the drs I was not diabetic. I have osteoporosis of the spine & have lost several inches in height. If you have not had a bone density test to check for osteoporosis your gp should send you for one, especially with your long term use of pred.
Take care.
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